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Re: [lojban-beginners] Connecting clauses and serial verbs: How best to translate "Come and take them"

On Friday, 16 February 2018 14.24.50 EST volcpitar wrote:
> Coi ro do mi’e lo di’a nintadni be la lojban. be’u no’u la volcpitar
> 
> .i a’o mi bau drani cusku dei .i pe’u ko se va’u mi draga’igau lo se srera
> pe dei.
> 
> Greetings all!  I am a repeat new student of Lojban going by the name of
> Volcpitar.  I hope I am saying these sentences correctly from a linguistic
> point of view and would appreciate any corrections.

"be'u" should be "be'o". "mi bau drani cusku" means "I say correctly in 
(unspecified language)"; I think you want "mi banske drani cusku".

> I have just been finishing my review of the CLL and the list of gismu and
> have a few questions regarding how to connect clauses.  In the back of my
> mind, I am thinking about languages that use serial verbs or an equivalent
> to express stages of an action and am wondering how these should come
> across in Lojban.
> 
> To take a concrete example, how could you translate μολὼν λαβέ (molṑn labé)
> (Come and take them!), the Spartans’ famous response to the Persians’
> demand to lay down their arms and surrender at the battle of Thermopylae?
> 
> Although English can use a connective, clearly the meaning is really “come
> to take them!” and involves a single activity rather than two separate
> ones.   How could I handle this succinctly  in Lojban?

I'd say the complete sentence is "ko klama be ti be'o lebna ti"; shorter 
versions are "ko klama lebna ti" and "ko klama be ti lebna".

> A related question is how would I just say: “Come here”?  My first guess
> would be “ko vi klama,”  but wouldn’t that imply that the entire movement
> described by the selbri--i.e., the entire route-- is close by, rather than
> just the destination?

"ko klama ti" is correct. You could also say "ko mo'ibu'u klama", but "mo'ivi" 
is ungrammatical according to jbofi'e.

> By the way, I tried to edit my original post, but couldn't figure out how
> to do it and ended up deleting it. Sorry for any inconvenience

You can't edit or delete an email once you've sent it.

Pierre
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