15 Jan 2010 02:18:27 < aviver> do noi prenu ku'o te bilma mi
15 Jan 2010 02:18:32 < lindar> Ah, that sounds suspiciously crappy. Electric sound emitter?
15 Jan 2010 02:18:37 < lindar> I like mine better.
15 Jan 2010 02:18:40 <@Broca> lindar: I don't understand what the sel- is doing in selsnapra?
15 Jan 2010 02:18:58 < lindar> Cos sance is a sound, selsna is a sound emitter.
15 Jan 2010 02:19:50 <@Broca> Oh. Right.
15 Jan 2010 02:20:00 <@Broca> But then it should be c1=s2
15 Jan 2010 02:20:15 < lindar> I asked about that and received no response.
15 Jan 2010 02:20:27 < aviver> no prenu cu tinju'i mi
15 Jan 2010 02:20:27 < lindar> I thought because it was selsna that it would be s2.
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15 Jan 2010 02:21:07 < aviver> lo'ai tinju'i sa'ai jundi le'ai
15 Jan 2010 02:21:51 <@Broca> Not sure if cupra3 can be used for a source.
15 Jan 2010 02:21:58 < aviver> o'onai je'e do'u mi ca co'a cliva
15 Jan 2010 02:22:21 <@Broca> Actually, I'm pretty sure that cupra3 cannot be used for a source.
15 Jan 2010 02:24:01 < lindar> Blame rlp for that, then. It was his idea.
15 Jan 2010 02:25:52 < lindar> by process/from source... ehhh
15 Jan 2010 02:26:31 < lindar> Anyway, somebody start up a wiki translation team and join my google group. =P
15 Jan 2010 02:26:42 < lindar> I'm turning in for tonight.
15 Jan 2010 02:27:17 < lindar> I'll make more malformed words tomorrow. Get back to me on that word for 'transducer'. =D
15 Jan 2010 02:27:21 < lindar> co'o
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15 Jan 2010 02:28:43 <@Broca> I can't read the word “transducer” without thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transducer.jpg :-)
15 Jan 2010 02:30:54 < mathw> Broca: Me neither, because that TV show is where I first heard the word
15 Jan 2010 02:31:44 < mathw> Terrible name for it, but children might have choked on something like 'psychokinetic amplifier'
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15 Jan 2010 02:35:18 < lindar> Okay, seriously, go join http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/ and participate, or at least beef up my member numbers so you can see what's going on. I have the invitation open right now so there's no moderation. Start up some ideas for the wiki translate project or add to the posts regarding the gnome translation project.
15 Jan 2010 02:35:30 < lindar> Thank you guys! I hope to see posts by the time I get up. =P
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15 Jan 2010 02:36:07 < lindar> I'd just really like to say how much I appreciate everybody's company and companionship over the past six or seven months. It's been great working with you!
15 Jan 2010 02:36:17 < lindar> See you tomorrow at some point!
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15 Jan 2010 02:37:47 < mathw> .i .uisai lo bisli cu runme
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15 Jan 2010 02:49:01 < tomoj> I need to get familiar with some gnome applications
15 Jan 2010 02:49:30 < tomoj> what are some good examples with an eye towards localization, anyone?
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15 Jan 2010 02:53:01 < mathw> tomoj: probably the simpler ones are best to start with, i.e. not Evolution
15 Jan 2010 02:53:21 < mathw> gedit maybe, or Eye of GNOME might be a good one as it's not got a great deal of UI
15 Jan 2010 02:53:46 < aviver> mi viska loi bisli noi po'o zvati ne'i le mi dujmi'i
15 Jan 2010 02:56:48 < mathw> The only ice you can see is in the freezer?
15 Jan 2010 02:56:55 < aviver> go'i
15 Jan 2010 02:57:47 < aviver> solri donri viku
15 Jan 2010 02:57:55 < mathw> xu lo do dujmi'i vorme cu klina
15 Jan 2010 02:58:28 < aviver> na go'i
15 Jan 2010 02:58:35 < mathw> .i dilnu donri viku
15 Jan 2010 02:59:23 < mathw> .i lo carvi cu sidju lo runme
15 Jan 2010 03:01:10 < aviver> za'o do nelce lonu tavla fi lo tcima
15 Jan 2010 03:01:13 < aviver> {nelci}
15 Jan 2010 03:02:54 < mathw> go'i .i mi glico
15 Jan 2010 03:03:08 < aviver> u'i
15 Jan 2010 03:03:29 < aviver> xu do nelci lonu pinxe loi tcati ji'a
15 Jan 2010 03:04:59 < aviver> mi baza se'ixru u'u
15 Jan 2010 03:08:05 < mathw> go'i
15 Jan 2010 03:10:06 < mathw> .i mi mutce nelci lo crino tcati
15 Jan 2010 03:10:33 < mathw> (it's possible that 'green tea' is more accurately expressed in Lojban with some idea of comparative freshness rather than colour)
15 Jan 2010 03:14:09 <@Broca> mathw: funny! I've never met another fan of that show since primary school.
15 Jan 2010 03:14:25 < mathw> Broca: My friends and I watched it obsessively
15 Jan 2010 03:14:39 < mathw> It's childhood wish fulfilment
15 Jan 2010 03:14:52 < mathw> who doesn't want a time machine and a headband that lets you move things with your mind and heal people?
15 Jan 2010 03:17:52 < mathw> It did have a substantial impact on my early impressions of speculative fiction
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15 Jan 2010 03:27:51 < tomoj> what show?
15 Jan 2010 03:28:15 < mathw> The Girl From Tomorrow
15 Jan 2010 03:28:22 < mathw> such a descriptive title
15 Jan 2010 03:32:53 < tomoj> I'm trying to imagine how anything either of you said was a reference to that :)
15 Jan 2010 03:33:57 < mathw> Broca earlier posted a picture of what they called on the show a 'transducer'
15 Jan 2010 03:33:57 < mathw> which was a device the titular girl brought with her which allowed her to move things with her mind
15 Jan 2010 03:33:57 < mathw> among other things
15 Jan 2010 03:33:57 < mathw> and she also had a (broken) time machine
15 Jan 2010 03:33:58 < mathw> although later on in the series there was a fair amount of time travel
15 Jan 2010 03:35:10 <@Broca> They all had a talking wristband PDA, too.
15 Jan 2010 03:35:16 <@Broca> The ones from the year 3000, that is.
15 Jan 2010 03:35:28 < tomoj> haha this show looks awesome
15 Jan 2010 03:35:47 <@Broca> Australian SF at its finest.
15 Jan 2010 03:36:53 < mathw> yeah it was great
15 Jan 2010 03:37:12 < mathw> Given that, at the time, I lived about half my time in an imaginary future environment anyway...
15 Jan 2010 03:37:31 < mathw> I've always had an imagination which refuses to turn off, and school was unpleasant enough to demand escapism
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15 Jan 2010 03:38:03 <@Broca> Ah, they called the PDAs a “Companion”. Just as in Robert J. Sawyer's Neanderthal novels.
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15 Jan 2010 04:06:53 < aviver> mi mo'u se'ixru
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15 Jan 2010 04:07:53 < aviver> le makfa cu ba'o klama
15 Jan 2010 04:08:14 < aviver> (the magic has gone)
15 Jan 2010 04:11:11 < aviver> le mi mlatu cu ca'o batci lei mi jamfu
15 Jan 2010 04:11:22 < aviver> (my cat is biting mi feet)
15 Jan 2010 04:12:26 < aviver> caku le go'i cu tacpe'u vo'a
15 Jan 2010 04:12:36 < aviver> (now she is licking herself)
15 Jan 2010 04:13:38 < aviver> le mi speni cu ca'o tadni vi le jubme
15 Jan 2010 04:13:47 < aviver> (my wife is studying near the table)
15 Jan 2010 04:14:20 < aviver> mi cu ca'o pinxe le mi tcati
15 Jan 2010 04:14:27 < aviver> (I am drinking my tea)
15 Jan 2010 04:15:01 < aviver> mi ca'o tavla vo'a
15 Jan 2010 04:15:07 < aviver> (I am talking to myself)
15 Jan 2010 04:15:31 < aviver> Question: What's the tense cmavo in Lojban for "present simple"?
15 Jan 2010 04:15:41 <@Broca> ca
15 Jan 2010 04:15:51 < aviver> hmmm
15 Jan 2010 04:16:12 < aviver> so, "mi ca gunka lo briju" means I work at an office?
15 Jan 2010 04:16:24 <@Broca> Yes
15 Jan 2010 04:16:30 < aviver> it doesn't imply that I am at the moment working at an office?
15 Jan 2010 04:16:37 < aviver> unless I say ca'o?
15 Jan 2010 04:17:33 <@Broca> Right.
15 Jan 2010 04:17:50 < aviver> 10x
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15 Jan 2010 04:18:49 < selckiku> coi jbopre
15 Jan 2010 04:18:56 < selckiku> i'm just about to upload my snavei for today
15 Jan 2010 04:18:59 < aviver> coi selckiku
15 Jan 2010 04:20:19 < selckiku> coi .aviver.
15 Jan 2010 04:20:25 < selckiku> mo pei
15 Jan 2010 04:21:35 < aviver> .ui mi rapcreze'a le mi jbobau
15 Jan 2010 04:22:30 < selckiku> here it is: http://selckiku.tumblr.com/post/335716291/zae-mlebau
15 Jan 2010 04:23:25 < selckiku> .ui do rapcreze'a lo nu la .lojban. cu bangu do lo nu cusku
15 Jan 2010 04:23:57 < aviver> mi ca'o tinju'i
15 Jan 2010 04:24:14 < selckiku> .i mi pu zi rapcreze'a lo nu jbobau bacru
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15 Jan 2010 04:24:36 < selckiku> .i mi xlali sance bacru .o'i
15 Jan 2010 04:24:42 < selckiku> .i ku'i mi troci
15 Jan 2010 04:25:38 < aviver> almost hypnotizing... :)
15 Jan 2010 04:26:44 < aviver> something about trees
15 Jan 2010 04:27:06 < selckiku> .i mi cusku zo tricu mu'i mo'a da
15 Jan 2010 04:27:38 < selckiku> si si lo nu zdile kei po'o
15 Jan 2010 04:28:27 < selckiku> one thing i say in that recording is about how what i'm saying isn't important, i say "tolvai" and then "tolvajni" and then "to'e vajni", different forms of the same thing
15 Jan 2010 04:28:42 < aviver> za'o do nelci lonu tavla fo la lojban
15 Jan 2010 04:28:56 < aviver> yeah.. I noticed
15 Jan 2010 04:29:04 < aviver> I didn't understand everything because of my level
15 Jan 2010 04:29:14 < aviver> but it was nice to just listen without looking up every single word
15 Jan 2010 04:29:25 < aviver> and I think I got most of the words
15 Jan 2010 04:29:48 < aviver> to say I got the message.. I can't... but was there one?
15 Jan 2010 04:29:54 < aviver> you cooked, and you will cook
15 Jan 2010 04:29:57 < aviver> you talk of trees
15 Jan 2010 04:30:12 < aviver> you like stuff
15 Jan 2010 04:30:21 < aviver> take care
15 Jan 2010 04:31:17 < selckiku> oh no sorry i forgot to have anything to say :)
15 Jan 2010 04:31:34 < aviver> hehehe
15 Jan 2010 04:31:38 < selckiku> i've just been practicing out loud, basically
15 Jan 2010 04:31:45 < aviver> nm, it's nice just listening to lojban
15 Jan 2010 04:32:19 < selckiku> i say a lot of the same things from recording to recording.. at first i went really slow trying to say anything at all
15 Jan 2010 04:32:38 < selckiku> now instead of going quite as slowly i say things i already know how to say
15 Jan 2010 04:32:40 < aviver> obviously youve gotten pretty good
15 Jan 2010 04:33:13 < selckiku> ki'e
15 Jan 2010 04:34:48 < aviver> you like the lojban sound-words
15 Jan 2010 04:34:58 < aviver> I'm listening to jan.9
15 Jan 2010 04:37:07 < aviver> alto of nandu
15 Jan 2010 04:38:08 < aviver> do you even know what you're saying?
15 Jan 2010 04:38:15 < aviver> at one point you said "ko ko cilre"...
15 Jan 2010 04:38:51 < selckiku> i do, but i can't correct all the errors i make
15 Jan 2010 04:38:58 < aviver> :)
15 Jan 2010 04:38:59 < selckiku> that'd be all i'd say
15 Jan 2010 04:39:59 < selckiku> sometimes i do correct myself with "si"
15 Jan 2010 04:40:00 < aviver> alot of klingons in this one
15 Jan 2010 04:40:04 < aviver> yeah
15 Jan 2010 04:41:30 < aviver> se cinri
15 Jan 2010 04:43:13 < aviver> mi cortu le mi stedu .iku'ibo na ki'u do
15 Jan 2010 04:44:13 < aviver> how do you say "(blah blah blah) NOT because (yada yada yada)?
15 Jan 2010 04:46:01 < aviver> I'm guessing ki'unai
15 Jan 2010 04:46:16 < aviver> si si si co'e ki'unai do
15 Jan 2010 04:46:46 < selckiku> yeah i think that's what "ki'u nai" means
15 Jan 2010 04:47:04 < selckiku> i'm not 100% sure though, i don't use that much myself
15 Jan 2010 04:47:04 < aviver> It glosses to "despite"
15 Jan 2010 04:47:13 < aviver> which is not the same thing as "not because" IMO
15 Jan 2010 04:47:59 < aviver> "my head hurts, despite you" not-the-same-thing-as "my head hurts, not because of you"
15 Jan 2010 04:48:27 < selckiku> well it has to be an event
15 Jan 2010 04:48:39 < aviver> fine, tu'a do. that's not the point
15 Jan 2010 04:49:20 < selckiku> what i would say would be hmm
15 Jan 2010 04:49:51 < selckiku> mi stedu cortu ki'u lo na srana be do
15 Jan 2010 04:50:08 < selckiku> because of something not related to you
15 Jan 2010 04:50:50 < selckiku> .uu doi cortu
15 Jan 2010 04:50:52 < aviver> that's nice
15 Jan 2010 04:51:32 < selckiku> is "aviver" the name you use in lojban?
15 Jan 2010 04:51:44 < selckiku> .i va'i xu zo .aviver. jbocme do
15 Jan 2010 04:51:58 < aviver> it used to be avivser, but I shortened it because "vs" is not an allowed consonant cluster
15 Jan 2010 04:52:03 < aviver> si pair
15 Jan 2010 04:52:47 < selckiku> yes, we have silly rules.  what's it from?
15 Jan 2010 04:53:16 < aviver> my name "aviv" which is a hebrew name meaning "spring"
15 Jan 2010 04:53:34 < selckiku> oh i see, why not just "aviv" then?
15 Jan 2010 04:53:40 < aviver> I thought of maybe changing to vesna.. but eh
15 Jan 2010 04:53:45 < aviver> taken :)
15 Jan 2010 04:53:50 < aviver> nickserv
15 Jan 2010 04:54:00 < aviver> turns out there is more that one aviv out there
15 Jan 2010 04:54:07 < aviver> :)
15 Jan 2010 04:54:17 < aviver> {vensa}
15 Jan 2010 04:54:21 < selckiku> .ua
15 Jan 2010 04:54:45 < selckiku> zo vensa cu xamgu pe'i cmene
15 Jan 2010 04:54:52 < aviver> ki'e
15 Jan 2010 04:55:04 < aviver> pe'i go'e
15 Jan 2010 04:55:11 < selckiku> we can call you by zo .aviv. in lojban even if that's not your nick
15 Jan 2010 04:55:36 < aviver> huh? I miss your point
15 Jan 2010 04:56:07 < aviver> I'd rather everyone call me the same as my nick, that way I here a ding every time I am addressed
15 Jan 2010 04:56:25 < selckiku> i like "vensa".. i like how gismu names are educational
15 Jan 2010 04:56:36 < selckiku> everyone would know the word "vensa" much better if that was your name
15 Jan 2010 04:56:43 < aviver> yeah.. maybe I'll change
15 Jan 2010 04:56:48 < aviver> :)
15 Jan 2010 04:56:58 < aviver> but ppl already know me as aviver...
15 Jan 2010 04:57:42 < aviver> le mi mlatu ca citka ro da
15 Jan 2010 04:58:33 -!- aviver is now known as vensa
15 Jan 2010 04:58:55 < vensa> mi troci lonu co'e
15 Jan 2010 04:59:32 < vensa> le mi mlatu ca'o batci vo'a
15 Jan 2010 05:00:11 < selckiku> .i .u'i le do mlatu cu fenki ti'e
15 Jan 2010 05:00:52 < selckiku> si si jai fenki ti'e
15 Jan 2010 05:01:02 < vensa> just about to say that :)
15 Jan 2010 05:01:07 < vensa> (jai)
15 Jan 2010 05:01:09 < vensa> go'i
15 Jan 2010 05:03:19 < selckiku> .i be'u ro'o ba zi finpe jukpa .ai co'o la vensa
15 Jan 2010 05:04:20 < vensa> co'o selckiku
15 Jan 2010 05:04:26 < vensa> a'o kukte
15 Jan 2010 05:05:02 < vensa> a'o kukte ko
15 Jan 2010 05:05:14 < vensa> ko ko kukte :P
15 Jan 2010 05:05:15 < vensa> jk
15 Jan 2010 05:06:10 < vensa> mi ji'a xagji .oi
15 Jan 2010 05:11:34 < vensa> doi rodo mi de'a jundi .i pe'u cusku le mi cmene ca lonu do cikna .i ki'e
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15 Jan 2010 05:39:37  * lericson curses at FormEncode
15 Jan 2010 05:39:45 < lericson> How the hell do they suppose you'd manage translations?
15 Jan 2010 05:41:01  * lericson draws a deep sigh
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15 Jan 2010 06:50:35 < xalbo> coi la'oi .lericson. .e la vensa
15 Jan 2010 06:51:13 < lericson> Oh hey, wrong channel. co'o
15 Jan 2010 06:51:19 < kribacr> coi le xalbo no'u la xalbo
15 Jan 2010 06:51:43 < mathw> coi rodo
15 Jan 2010 06:53:15 < kribacr> coi la'oi mathw
15 Jan 2010 06:53:26 < xalbo> be'e vensa .i mi bredi lo nu danfu
15 Jan 2010 06:53:48 < xalbo> .i coi la .mat. .iu
15 Jan 2010 06:53:49 < xalbo> zo'o
15 Jan 2010 06:54:17 < mathw> .i za'ure'u la makfa. morsi
15 Jan 2010 06:55:01 < kribacr> .i lo'u la makfa ku morsi le'u co'e
15 Jan 2010 06:55:15 < xalbo> la'a dukse jursa tikpa
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15 Jan 2010 06:55:57 < kribacr> .i xu jursa do'e li so so so
15 Jan 2010 06:56:14 < mathw> But I have to go talk with my boss now
15 Jan 2010 06:56:21  * mathw puts his armour on
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15 Jan 2010 06:57:12 < xalbo> .i bandu ko
15 Jan 2010 06:58:12 < selckiku> coi
15 Jan 2010 06:58:59 < kribacr> coi la selckiku
15 Jan 2010 06:59:07 < kribacr> .i do jai gau mo gi'e kanro xu
15 Jan 2010 06:59:07 < selckiku> coi la .kribacr.
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15 Jan 2010 06:59:27 < selckiku> mi kanro ki'e
15 Jan 2010 06:59:50 < kribacr> .ui
15 Jan 2010 06:59:53 < selckiku> .i le mi patfu cu bilma .i mi ba za rapli vitke ri
15 Jan 2010 07:00:04 < selckiku> .i do mo doi .kribacr.
15 Jan 2010 07:00:12 < kribacr> gunka
15 Jan 2010 07:00:34 < selckiku> .i coi doi la xalbo do pu zi jundi .i xu do ca jundi
15 Jan 2010 07:00:44 < xalbo> ca jundi
15 Jan 2010 07:00:49 < selckiku> .ui .i do mo
15 Jan 2010 07:01:27 < xalbo> cando gi'e taske
15 Jan 2010 07:01:48 < xalbo> .i do mo
15 Jan 2010 07:02:06 < selckiku> .i mi lojbo
15 Jan 2010 07:02:09 < kribacr> .i lo patfu be do ku bilma lo kenra ju'o ru'e .i xu ja'a go'i
15 Jan 2010 07:02:20 < selckiku> .i mi skami pilno
15 Jan 2010 07:02:35 < selckiku> go'i doi .kribacr. .i kenra bilma
15 Jan 2010 07:02:40 < kribacr> .ui nai sai
15 Jan 2010 07:02:54 < xalbo> .uu sai
15 Jan 2010 07:02:55 < kribacr> .i mo kenra to .u'u toi
15 Jan 2010 07:03:51 < selckiku> .i pu vimcu pa fepri
15 Jan 2010 07:04:23 < kribacr> .ue sai
15 Jan 2010 07:04:50 < kribacr> .i .a'o ba kanro
15 Jan 2010 07:04:50 < selckiku> .i ba zi vimcu pa -kidney
15 Jan 2010 07:05:10 < selckiku> .i ma xe fanva zoi gy kidney gy doi jbocevni
15 Jan 2010 07:06:32 < kribacr> .i de'a jundi do'e lo nu cliva
15 Jan 2010 07:08:22 < xalbo> .i mi na djuno
15 Jan 2010 07:08:48 < selckiku> ni'o vreji fi so'i nu mi mutce srera jbota'a .i xo do jundi
15 Jan 2010 07:10:28 < xalbo> mi ca milxe jundi
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15 Jan 2010 07:29:19 < notdjan> O_O
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15 Jan 2010 07:38:40 < codrus> coi ro cumki be fa tu'a lo lojbo datka
15 Jan 2010 07:39:45 < notdjan> coi pendo
15 Jan 2010 07:39:47 < xalbo> .i do lo'u be fa le'u cusku .i do ba se catra
15 Jan 2010 07:40:30 < codrus> ii
15 Jan 2010 07:40:58 < notdjan> mi xlali :(
15 Jan 2010 07:42:37 < codrus> xlali ma
15 Jan 2010 07:43:22 < notdjan> masno masno skami
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15 Jan 2010 07:46:13 < vensa> coi rodo .i mi di'a jundi
15 Jan 2010 07:46:46 < kribacr> .i go'i ra'o
15 Jan 2010 07:47:27 < vensa> coi kribacr
15 Jan 2010 07:47:49 < vensa> le do kerfa mo
15 Jan 2010 07:48:53 < kribacr> ./msg makfa q kerfa
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15 Jan 2010 07:48:57 < vensa> hair
15 Jan 2010 07:48:58 < kribacr> woops
15 Jan 2010 07:48:59 < vensa> :)
15 Jan 2010 07:49:01 < kribacr> Ah, hair.
15 Jan 2010 07:49:13 < kribacr> .y.
15 Jan 2010 07:49:14 < vensa> makfa is dead :P
15 Jan 2010 07:49:17 < kribacr> I think you want a {cu} in there.
15 Jan 2010 07:49:19 < kribacr> I see that, now.
15 Jan 2010 07:49:27 < djanatyn> makfa might have been klined, too.
15 Jan 2010 07:49:32 < vensa> I guess I do
15 Jan 2010 07:49:33  * djanatyn was, but freenode fixed me! :D
15 Jan 2010 07:49:45 < kribacr> .i lo kerfa be mi ku bunre
15 Jan 2010 07:50:00 < vensa> ua
15 Jan 2010 07:50:33 < kribacr> .i ji'a clani
15 Jan 2010 07:50:45 < vensa> ua
15 Jan 2010 07:51:00 < vensa> .je le do lifri kerfa cu mo
15 Jan 2010 07:51:05 < vensa> {.ije}
15 Jan 2010 07:51:42 < vensa> xu su'o do djica lonu tavla sepi'o la mambyl
15 Jan 2010 07:51:43 < kribacr> .i tolclani do'e lo nu katna
15 Jan 2010 07:51:45 < xalbo> vensa: {ki'u nai} is "not because of" (ie, for a different reason or none at all).  {to'e ki'u} is "prevented by", and {to'e ki'u nai} is "not prevented by", ie, "despite"
15 Jan 2010 07:51:51 < xalbo> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Dictionary+Preface
15 Jan 2010 07:52:21 < vensa> http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=ki%27unai&Strategy=*&Database=*
15 Jan 2010 07:52:27 < vensa> says otherwise
15 Jan 2010 07:52:56 < vensa> but I'll take your word for it xalbo :)
15 Jan 2010 07:53:03 < vensa> you're the guru :)
15 Jan 2010 07:53:31 < kribacr> .i xu do cnino se cmene doi la vensa
15 Jan 2010 07:53:50 < kribacr> sa .i xu do se ke cnino cmene doi la vensa
15 Jan 2010 07:53:50 < vensa> go'i
15 Jan 2010 07:53:57 < djanatyn> everyone should MUMBLE
15 Jan 2010 07:54:04 < xalbo> This is one of the things the byfy change(d/s) (oh, for tenselessness in English!), because it seems CLL says multiple contradictory things here.
15 Jan 2010 07:54:04 < vensa> go'i doi djanatyn
15 Jan 2010 07:54:38 < vensa> zo aviver pu ba'o cmene mi
15 Jan 2010 07:54:58 < kribacr> je'e
15 Jan 2010 07:55:28 < xalbo> See also http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Causation+sumtcita#Notes
15 Jan 2010 07:55:56 < xalbo> When the byfy actually has something, I tend to go with it over older versions of things.  But that's just me.
15 Jan 2010 07:56:06 < vensa> I must say that all the contradicting information, on the internet, and from the lojbo certu, is pretty confusing at times *sigh* oh well
15 Jan 2010 07:56:31 < vensa> I think then that a new CLL has to be written that incorporates all the recent changes
15 Jan 2010 07:57:02 < kribacr> vensa: Hence my project to re-write the learning texts. Plus we need to revitalize the BPFK. I'd like to take up the torch but I don't think I'm quite ready yet.
15 Jan 2010 07:57:06 < vensa> zoi gy connection timed out gy se cusku la mambyl
15 Jan 2010 07:57:43 < codrus> lo mi skami ku bilma .i la'o gy Xorg gy di'i co'a morsi .i mi co'a krici lo du'u nitcu lo zu'o vo'a xruti ri zo'e
15 Jan 2010 07:57:45 < xalbo> The theory is that a new CLL (or equivalent) will be written, but not till the byfy finishes.  Unfortunately, no one is doing anything toward that end.
15 Jan 2010 07:57:46 < vensa> obviously you need help. perhaps you can do it together with another - e.g. xalbo `)
15 Jan 2010 07:58:16 < xalbo> .i mi de'a jundi
15 Jan 2010 07:58:32 < vensa> why won't mumble connect?
15 Jan 2010 08:00:50 < kribacr> Well, the wave is / was doing quite well, but the original transcriptionists have gotten busy with other things, so the lessons have stopped and thus the progress has stopped. I'm too much of a director / designer than a writer / editor. I know what I want and how it will work but lack the skill to code it myself.
15 Jan 2010 08:01:22 < vensa> sorry,,, I'm too cnino to offer any assistance
15 Jan 2010 08:02:26 < kribacr> Well... I don't necessarily lack the skill but I have forgotten most of the languages I used to know. >< I really should lay out some design docs, but work has been keeping me somewhat busy and I play video games and hang out with friends when I'm off work.
15 Jan 2010 08:02:48 < codrus> the byfy is a tar pit. example, daniel joined it recently and then did nothing.
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15 Jan 2010 08:03:06 < vensa> are video games really more important that "you destiny" krib???
15 Jan 2010 08:03:42 < neptunepink> Ah, if makfa is klined, than donri probably is too.
15 Jan 2010 08:04:02 < vensa> does anybody know why MUMBLE isn't workin?
15 Jan 2010 08:04:14 < kribacr> codrus: I really need to look at what has been done and what needs to be done.
15 Jan 2010 08:04:29 < neptunepink> I am connected to mumble.
15 Jan 2010 08:04:36 < vensa> hmmm
15 Jan 2010 08:04:38 < codrus> i think byfy is where old lojban users go to retire
15 Jan 2010 08:04:45 < neptunepink> And now I am not.
15 Jan 2010 08:04:53 < vensa> hehehe.. y?
15 Jan 2010 08:05:51 < vensa> did you get disconected?
15 Jan 2010 08:10:08 < neptunepink> No.
15 Jan 2010 08:10:39 < vensa> :(
15 Jan 2010 08:11:08 < vensa> ta'o coi codrus
15 Jan 2010 08:14:29 < codrus> coi cizra prenu
15 Jan 2010 08:15:04 < codrus> sisi na'e slabu prenu
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15 Jan 2010 08:18:26 < codrus> coi klaji verba
15 Jan 2010 08:19:33 < vensa> mi'e aviver
15 Jan 2010 08:20:12 < codrus> ua
15 Jan 2010 08:21:30 < vensa> mi tikygau le mi cmene mu'i la selckiku bitygau mi
15 Jan 2010 08:23:15 < kribacr> .i la'a lo'u mu'i lo nu la selckiku ku bitygau mi le'u co'e
15 Jan 2010 08:23:24 < vensa> zo aviv. sminu le vensa bau le xebybau
15 Jan 2010 08:23:41 < vensa> go'e
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15 Jan 2010 08:24:05 < vensa> {smuni}
15 Jan 2010 08:24:24 < codrus> mi kucli lo du'u xukau la lerys pe la'e zoi url http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php url ba djica lo nu cilre la lojban
15 Jan 2010 08:25:39 < vensa> ki'a la lerys
15 Jan 2010 08:26:09 < codrus> ua
15 Jan 2010 08:26:52 < vensa> uanai
15 Jan 2010 08:28:06 < codrus> ki'u ma lo do cmene ku pu ckini la'e zo vensa
15 Jan 2010 08:28:36 < vensa> mi pu cusku
15 Jan 2010 08:29:00 < vensa> ki'u ledu'u zo aviv. smuni le vensa bau le xebybau
15 Jan 2010 08:29:24 < codrus> ki'u ma lo do cmene ku pu ckini la'e zo aviv
15 Jan 2010 08:29:39 < vensa> you're asking why was I named that by my parents?
15 Jan 2010 08:30:04 < codrus> yea
15 Jan 2010 08:30:13 < vensa> ko smadi
15 Jan 2010 08:30:16 < codrus> but i also didn't know you named that by your parents
15 Jan 2010 08:30:27 < vensa> oh
15 Jan 2010 08:32:35 < vensa> ki'u lonu mi pu jbena ca le vensa
15 Jan 2010 08:33:09 < vensa> sa'e cazi la'oi Passover
15 Jan 2010 08:33:25 < codrus> ua
15 Jan 2010 08:33:29 < codrus> je'e
15 Jan 2010 08:33:51 < vensa> la'oi Passover goi zo'oi The Holiday of Spring
15 Jan 2010 08:34:12 < vensa> I used goi cuz I forgot the worder for "is also known as"
15 Jan 2010 08:34:23 < codrus> po'u
15 Jan 2010 08:34:25 < kribacr> {no'u} or maybe {po'u}
15 Jan 2010 08:34:32 < vensa> yeah right
15 Jan 2010 08:35:16 < kribacr> Yeah, {po'u}
15 Jan 2010 08:35:19 < codrus> uu zo no'u zo'u mi di'i tolmorji
15 Jan 2010 08:35:24 < vensa> la'oi Passover no'u se cmene zoi gy The Holiday of the Spring gy
15 Jan 2010 08:35:47 < vensa> no'u - becuz it's incidental information
15 Jan 2010 08:35:50 < vensa> not restrictive
15 Jan 2010 08:36:13 < codrus> no'u expects a sumti after it
15 Jan 2010 08:36:20 < kribacr> Fair enough, I don't know anything about religious nomenclature. :)
15 Jan 2010 08:36:41 < vensa> codrus: really?
15 Jan 2010 08:36:47 < codrus> kind of like pe
15 Jan 2010 08:36:48 < vensa> then maybe I meant "noi"
15 Jan 2010 08:36:55 < codrus> je'e
15 Jan 2010 08:37:06 < vensa> I don't use no'u that often
15 Jan 2010 08:37:17 < vensa> good 2 know
15 Jan 2010 08:37:22 < codrus> no one does. uu zo no'u
15 Jan 2010 08:37:36 < vensa> no'u zoi gy blah blah gy - is simpler
15 Jan 2010 08:37:55 < codrus> ie
15 Jan 2010 08:38:00 < vensa> ki'e
15 Jan 2010 08:38:43 < vensa> ki'u ma le do se jbocme la codrus
15 Jan 2010 08:39:10 < vensa> that's not right
15 Jan 2010 08:39:19 < vensa> ki'u ma do se jbocme la codrus
15 Jan 2010 08:41:42 < codrus> mi pensi lo du'u xukau mi fi la lerys cu ba skami mrilu lo preti lo du'u xukau ly pu se slabu la lojban .i pei
15 Jan 2010 08:43:28 < vensa> ki'a mi fi la lerys
15 Jan 2010 08:44:02 < vensa> ki'a ly
15 Jan 2010 08:44:23 < vensa> mi na jimpe do
15 Jan 2010 08:44:39 < vensa> mi cfipu
15 Jan 2010 08:44:57 < vensa> si se cfipu
15 Jan 2010 08:47:03 < kribacr> Yeah, he is filling x4 of mrilu with {lo preti} and x5 with {lo du'u}... which doesn't make sense.
15 Jan 2010 08:47:23 < vensa> mi co'a klama mu'i lonu mi lumci vo'a
15 Jan 2010 08:48:03 < codrus> doi vensa zo codrus pu me lo cmene po lo cukta lisri bo prenu po'u la'o gy Liege Killer gy fi'e la'o gy Christopher Hinz gy
15 Jan 2010 08:48:22 < vensa> uasai
15 Jan 2010 08:48:27 < vensa> mi na se slabu
15 Jan 2010 08:48:32 < vensa> ki'e
15 Jan 2010 08:49:20 < codrus> la lerys was referring back to an earlier statement of mine
15 Jan 2010 08:49:30 < codrus> mi kucli lo du'u xukau la lerys pe la'e zoi url http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php url ba djica lo nu cilre la lojban
15 Jan 2010 08:49:37 < codrus> that one
15 Jan 2010 08:50:29 < codrus> oi my battery is about to die plus i have to get ready for gunka
15 Jan 2010 08:50:34 < codrus> co'o la vensa
15 Jan 2010 08:51:04 < codrus> lo pluka ko li'i djedi
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15 Jan 2010 08:54:12 < xalbo> .i di'a jundi
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15 Jan 2010 08:59:15 < xalbo> .i mi zgana no me la .lerys. poi srana ra poi judri
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15 Jan 2010 09:00:41 < xalbo> {no'u} and {po'u} apply additional information to a sumti.  They are "also known as".  If you want "*is* also known as", then you want a selbri. I recommend {du}.
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15 Jan 2010 09:03:17 < cmacis> coi rodo
15 Jan 2010 09:03:28 < cmacis> My connection may suddenly cut out. Or it may not
15 Jan 2010 09:03:51 < xalbo> coi la .cmacis. noi suksa vanci
15 Jan 2010 09:03:58 < xalbo> si canci
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15 Jan 2010 09:09:28 < cmacis> Ubuntu netbook is really weird on a large monitor
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15 Jan 2010 09:16:12 < djanatyn> cmacis: I would imagine so.
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15 Jan 2010 09:16:47 < cmacis> Right, the connection is holding out on the netbook, so the desktop's at fault. That means a trip to the helpdesk with my desktop :(
15 Jan 2010 09:17:20 < djanatyn> ...helpdesk?
15 Jan 2010 09:17:56 < cmacis> Yeah. About 10 minutes walk away
15 Jan 2010 09:22:37 < cmacis> Or I suppose I could do a clean install of kubuntu and hope that clears away whatever's interfering with my precious network connection
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15 Jan 2010 09:34:42 < Melvar> I had a thought.
15 Jan 2010 09:34:58 < cmacis> Careful
15 Jan 2010 09:37:58 < Melvar> Consider that in Lojban, rounding of vowels is not phonemic. Then imagine someone speaking it rounding all vowels, or none. Hilarious.
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15 Jan 2010 09:47:13 < xalbo> Unfortunately, I don't know what that means.
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15 Jan 2010 09:52:45 < kribacr> .ua nai
15 Jan 2010 10:00:43 < Twey> Melvar: Heh
15 Jan 2010 10:01:05 < Twey> Hm, I'm not sure that's true
15 Jan 2010 10:01:22 < Twey> [ɑ] is {a}, for example, but [ɔ] is {o}
15 Jan 2010 10:02:03 < Twey> I guess they're not quite in the same place, but it's close enough to cause confusion
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15 Jan 2010 10:25:01 < Melvar> Pronounce <aeiouy> as [ɒøyouɵ] or [aeiɤɯə]. [ɑ] is unrounded open, [ɔ] is rounded open-mid. You shouldn’t be able to confuse open and open-mid vowels.
15 Jan 2010 10:27:36 < kribacr> You IPA nerds are intimidating.
15 Jan 2010 10:31:17 < Twey> Melvar: And yet I doubt you'll find a non-linguist who wouldn't.  ;)
15 Jan 2010 10:31:32 < Twey> (apart from us bumbling amateurs)
15 Jan 2010 10:33:02 < mathw> coi
15 Jan 2010 10:35:03 < Twey> coi .mat.
15 Jan 2010 10:37:26 < kribacr> coi la'oi mathw
15 Jan 2010 10:43:23 < neptunepink> zo la'oi .i'enai
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15 Jan 2010 10:57:10 < datka> If I am currently doing something, is it ca or caku?
15 Jan 2010 10:57:56 < cmacis> caku, unless you put it before the selbri in which case the ku can be dropped
15 Jan 2010 10:58:02 < cmacis> mi caku tavla do
15 Jan 2010 10:58:03 < cmacis> =
15 Jan 2010 10:58:06 < cmacis> mi ca tavla do
15 Jan 2010 10:58:39 < datka> ok, that's what I thought.
15 Jan 2010 11:10:22 < Twey> Or unless you want to be really specific: ‘ca le cabna mi tavla do’ (about now, I am talking to you)
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15 Jan 2010 11:16:05 < selckiku> coi co'o ro do mi ba zi sipna
15 Jan 2010 11:16:31 < cmacis> coi co'o selkik
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15 Jan 2010 11:27:31 < Melvar> Is “cmejvo” a fitting word for a cmevla constructed from rafsi in the manner of a lujvo?
15 Jan 2010 11:29:33 < datka> that isn't quite self describing, is it?
15 Jan 2010 11:31:18 < Melvar> What do you mean by “self describing”? “Autological”?
15 Jan 2010 11:32:19 < datka> well, if it, itself were a cmevla constructed from rafsi in the manner of a lujvo...
15 Jan 2010 11:33:20 < Melvar> So you do mean “autological”? Yes, but “cmeluv” would be, then.
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15 Jan 2010 11:34:16 < Melvar> …Though of course cmene can’t be said to describe anything, just refer to something.
15 Jan 2010 11:36:03 < cmacis> cmevla
15 Jan 2010 11:36:38 < cmacis> co'o rodo
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15 Jan 2010 11:38:26 < Melvar> Might then the word for “autological” be “se'iski”?
15 Jan 2010 11:38:28 < xalbo> I would recommend {jvocme}.
15 Jan 2010 11:38:41 < xalbo> Since it is a cmevla, and is not a lujvo.
15 Jan 2010 11:39:04 < Melvar> That probably is better, xalbo.
15 Jan 2010 11:39:24 < xalbo> {se'iski} probably works.
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15 Jan 2010 11:40:25 < Melvar> Though filling in the places of “skicu” for this case isn’t quite so straightforward as in English.
15 Jan 2010 11:40:58 < xalbo> Yeah.
15 Jan 2010 11:42:07 < xalbo> {simxu} seems like it's part of what we want.
15 Jan 2010 11:43:49 < Melvar> Maybe we have to use ka, but I haven’t learned that yet.
15 Jan 2010 11:44:03 < xalbo> x1 me la'e x1
15 Jan 2010 11:44:56 < xalbo> we can extract that to something like {ckaji lo ka ce'u me la'e ce'u xi pa}.  Lujv-izing that doesn't sound fun.
15 Jan 2010 11:45:34 < xalbo> Have you learned the other abstractions yet?
15 Jan 2010 11:45:57 < xalbo> (I can't remember where  you are in the sequence, or even whether you're learning from kribacr's new method)
15 Jan 2010 11:46:20 < Melvar> I know nu and du'u (and sedu'u) so far.
15 Jan 2010 11:47:16 < Melvar> I’m reading la'e “Lojban for Beginners”.
15 Jan 2010 11:47:18 < xalbo> Ok.  Do you know functional programming languages?  (lisp, scheme, haskell, even perl has what I'm looking for)
15 Jan 2010 11:47:21 < xalbo> Ahh.
15 Jan 2010 11:47:33 < Melvar> A bit of scheme.
15 Jan 2010 11:47:40 < xalbo> {ka} is a bit hard to explain, but I'm getting better at it.
15 Jan 2010 11:48:07 < Melvar> Just a moment.
15 Jan 2010 11:48:11 < xalbo> Ok, {ka} is lamba(ce'u) (hmm, my memory of the syntax is weak)
15 Jan 2010 11:49:30 < Melvar> What we’re looking for is more like x1 such that lu x1 li'u cu x1, I think.
15 Jan 2010 11:49:32 < xalbo> {ka ... [kei]} converts a bridi (which must have a {ce'u} somewhere in it) and converts it into a property abstractor.  Essentially, it creates a function to which a sumti can be passed, and that sumti fills in the {ce'u} place.
15 Jan 2010 11:50:11 < xalbo> That's not gonna work, because the sumti places have to be sumti, not selbri.
15 Jan 2010 11:50:17 < Melvar> (lambda (ce'u) (<bridi>)), it would be something like.
15 Jan 2010 11:50:35 < xalbo> It might be possible to pass in an abstraction of some sort, but I expect that's gonna be awkward.
15 Jan 2010 11:50:44 < xalbo> Thanks.
15 Jan 2010 11:51:06 < xalbo> So the idea is that {ka ce'u blanu kei} is "x1 is the property of blue-ness".
15 Jan 2010 11:51:25 < xalbo> Something has that property iff putting in it as the x1 of {blanu} is true.
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15 Jan 2010 12:02:11 < Melvar> Is “me la'e lu <brivla> li'u” roughly equivalent to “<brivla>” itself?
15 Jan 2010 12:02:34 < Twey> Maybe
15 Jan 2010 12:02:58 < Twey> It *can* be.
15 Jan 2010 12:03:04 < Twey> There are other interpretations, though.
15 Jan 2010 12:04:55 < Melvar> Well, no matter how “autological” is translated, it never loses its paradoxy.
15 Jan 2010 12:14:45 < kribacr> coi la'oi Melvar .i do jai gau mo gi'e kanro xu
15 Jan 2010 12:17:58 < Melvar> I’m not sure how to answer two combined questions. Though, among other things, {go'i gi'e go'i} might be true.
15 Jan 2010 12:19:02 < Melvar> But I don’t really know {gi'e} yet.
15 Jan 2010 12:19:25 < kribacr> You can answer them however you like. :)
15 Jan 2010 12:19:41 < kribacr> Basically it will break apart to {.i do jai gau mo .i do kanro xu}
15 Jan 2010 12:20:12 < kribacr> Did you understand the question? :)
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15 Jan 2010 12:24:00 < Melvar> Yes, I think. {zgana be zgike .i kanro} might do then.
15 Jan 2010 12:25:10 < Melvar> sa
15 Jan 2010 12:26:11 < Melvar> (I’m not sure how to use that.)
15 Jan 2010 12:26:59 < kribacr> {.i zgana lo zgike} is more like it
15 Jan 2010 12:27:35 < Melvar> That’s what I would have said, but I find myself confused about “sa”.
15 Jan 2010 12:27:58 < Melvar> I was therefore uncertain how or whether to continue.
15 Jan 2010 12:28:18 < kribacr> Generally the word after {sa} kinda tells you how far to go back.
15 Jan 2010 12:28:31 < kribacr> So {zgana be zgike .i kanro sa zgana lo zgike .i kanro}
15 Jan 2010 12:29:22 < kribacr> I've really gone back and forth on what active interaction word you would use to describe "listening to music"... and I think {zgike} is probably best.
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15 Jan 2010 12:30:41 < kribacr> {tirna} seems to be almost an incidental "hearing" of things... not actively listening. Same thing for {viska} and seeing. I think {zgana} works for any time you are focusing a sense.
15 Jan 2010 12:30:46 < kribacr> xalbo might have more insight on this.
15 Jan 2010 12:30:55 < kribacr> not zgike up there, zgana
15 Jan 2010 12:31:13 < Melvar> My particular mistake there was my tendency to think of a bare predicate as effectively its event-abstraction, which stems from thinking of functions as objects.
15 Jan 2010 12:32:17 < Melvar> …And the few times I have seen {mo} yet.
15 Jan 2010 12:32:19 < kribacr> I'm... not sure what you mean by that.
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15 Jan 2010 12:32:37 < kribacr> {mo} is really not a great question-word to use by itself without a little prodding.
15 Jan 2010 12:32:48 < kribacr> Either with {jai} or as part of a tanru.
15 Jan 2010 12:32:58 < kribacr> (Or with a tag outside of {jai})
15 Jan 2010 12:33:31 < xalbo> {sa} erases to the previous word of the same selma'o (or psuedo-selma'o), so I think you'd need something like {sa be si lo zgike .i kanro}
15 Jan 2010 12:33:53 < kribacr> Ah, right. It -is- to selma'o, isn't it?
15 Jan 2010 12:34:01 < xalbo> Yeah.
15 Jan 2010 12:34:15 < kribacr> What do you think about {zgana} for "listening to music"?
15 Jan 2010 12:34:44 < xalbo> I think it's about the best option I've heard.
15 Jan 2010 12:35:03 < kribacr> Like I was saying, {zgana} seems more 'active' than {tirna} or {viska}.
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15 Jan 2010 12:35:17 < xalbo> {tinju'i} or just {jundi} and {tinzga} also work.
15 Jan 2010 12:35:36 < kribacr> Yeah, those seem fine.
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15 Jan 2010 12:36:01 < xalbo> Honestly I'm not sure that {zgana} is that much more active than {tirna} or {viska}
15 Jan 2010 12:36:20 < kribacr> Probably just the way it's worded on the gimste.
15 Jan 2010 12:36:49 < Melvar> I had also considered {jundi}, but thought it might not be appropriate since I’m not giving the music more than half my attention.
15 Jan 2010 12:36:57 < xalbo> Point.
15 Jan 2010 12:39:18 < kribacr> .i .ui sai ba zi na gunka
15 Jan 2010 12:39:26 < xalbo> .ui dai
15 Jan 2010 12:42:42 < Melvar> …My response overwhelms me with its complexity upon closer inspection.
15 Jan 2010 12:46:39 < kribacr> .i mi djica lo nu te vecnu gi'e se te se tcidu vau lo cukta be fi la .ritcard.dakinz. bei me'e lu .gad.delujyn. li'u
15 Jan 2010 12:49:48 < Melvar> .i'enai
15 Jan 2010 12:50:08 < kribacr> .i ma krinu
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15 Jan 2010 12:55:34 < Melvar> My vocabulary fails me at “delusion”.
15 Jan 2010 12:57:35 < Melvar> And according to the channel rules, I am not allowed to answer in any language but Lojban.
15 Jan 2010 13:02:02 < kribacr> Bah, just answer with as much lojban as you can. You can't be faulted for lack of vocabulary.
15 Jan 2010 13:03:03 < kribacr> A lujvo or tanru with some combination of {krici} {cizra} and/or {bebna} would probably cover it.
15 Jan 2010 13:03:52 < kribacr> (Also, I should have used {lo'u} - {le'u} instead of {lu} {li'u} to quote. Woops.)
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15 Jan 2010 13:22:04 < Melvar> .i ja'o leka ce'u krici ledu'u lo pa cevni cu zasti na se bebna
15 Jan 2010 13:23:49 < kribacr> .i pe'i ja'a bebna
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15 Jan 2010 13:24:33 < kribacr> .i ro da krici po'o lo du'u lo cevni ku zasti
15 Jan 2010 13:25:23 < kribacr> .i ma cipra lo du'u lo cevni ku zasti
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15 Jan 2010 13:27:07 < kribacr> .i ku'i rau da cipra fi lo za'i farvi
15 Jan 2010 13:27:56 < Melvar> You’re going too fast for me.
15 Jan 2010 13:28:10 < Melvar> I’m still two sentences behind.
15 Jan 2010 13:28:25 < kribacr> No problem. :)
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15 Jan 2010 13:34:15 < Melvar> .i na go'i
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15 Jan 2010 13:40:52 < Melvar> How does {ja} interact with {na}?
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15 Jan 2010 13:44:31 < xalbo> Two different answers to that, based on the different uses of {na}.
15 Jan 2010 13:45:11 < xalbo> {na} will negate an entire bridi, so {na blanu ja klama} means "not (blue or going)".
15 Jan 2010 13:45:50 < xalbo> But the other thing you can do is negate either side of a connector, so {blanu na ja klama] is "(not blue) or going".
15 Jan 2010 13:46:19 < xalbo> (to negate the right hand side, you use {nai} after the connective, {blanu ja nai klama}, "blue or (not going)")
15 Jan 2010 13:46:56 < xalbo> {na ja} also ends up working out as the same truth table as "if ... then".
15 Jan 2010 13:47:52 < xalbo> {blanu na ja klama}, "(not blue) or going" is the same (logically) as "if blue, then going".  The only way it can be true is "blue and not going".
15 Jan 2010 13:48:13  * xalbo pauses for you to process and mock him for his poor choice of example.
15 Jan 2010 13:49:46  * neptunepink mocks xalbo
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15 Jan 2010 13:50:17 < neptunepink> erth64ne1: Never heard of it.
15 Jan 2010 13:50:22 < Melvar> .i lo cipra be le za'i lo cevni cu zasti kei ja za'i farvi na zasti
15 Jan 2010 13:51:20 < Melvar> I hope that was correct.
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15 Jan 2010 13:52:51 < Melvar> jbofi'e shows that the nesting is as I intended.
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15 Jan 2010 13:54:56 < xalbo> It seems to me like that would be better with {je}, or even better, {.e le} (or {.e lo}, if you use xorlo)
15 Jan 2010 13:56:14 < xalbo> then it would split as {.i lo cipra be lo za'i lo cevni cu zasti na zasti .i je lo cipra be lo za'i farvi na zasti}
15 Jan 2010 13:56:17 < xalbo> I think.
15 Jan 2010 13:56:25 < xalbo> I quickly get confused with these things.
15 Jan 2010 13:57:48 < Melvar> I think that would only work if you used {na'e} instead.
15 Jan 2010 13:59:28 < xalbo> (oh, also {jei} is probably the abstractor you were looking for)
15 Jan 2010 14:00:07 < xalbo> .i no da cipra lo ka zasti kei lo cevni
15 Jan 2010 14:00:45 < Melvar> Not so fast, please!
15 Jan 2010 14:00:55 < Melvar> I’m still pondering the negation logic.
15 Jan 2010 14:04:26 < Melvar> ¬P∧¬Q⇔¬(P∨Q)
15 Jan 2010 14:05:29 < Melvar> {cipra} requires a property or state.
15 Jan 2010 14:06:23 < xalbo> I can understand it as a property, I'm not sure I can understand it as a state, specifically wrt the x3.
15 Jan 2010 14:07:26 < Melvar> Your last statement looks right to me though.
15 Jan 2010 14:09:52 < Melvar> .i noda cipra loka zasti kei lo cevni .e le farvi
15 Jan 2010 14:10:09 < Melvar> Or something like that. Now the negation is different, though.
15 Jan 2010 14:11:34 < Melvar> And why not a state, some things you can prove aren’t so easily expressed as a predicate of one place.
15 Jan 2010 14:12:24 < Melvar> …Which is what a ka-abstraction appears to yield.
15 Jan 2010 14:13:17 < xalbo> "proof" is a little misleading/archaic here, I suspect.  ("The proof of the pudding is in the eating").  I think "test" is a better way of thinking about what {cipra} does.
15 Jan 2010 14:13:57 < xalbo> "By performing x1, we can determine which of x3 have property x2" seems to make sense to me.
15 Jan 2010 14:14:29 < xalbo> I'm just not seeing how x3 fits into a state view of it.
15 Jan 2010 14:22:46  * Melvar gains a level!
15 Jan 2010 14:22:57  * Melvar can now use “ka”!
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15 Jan 2010 14:24:45 < chrisdone> eeeeee
15 Jan 2010 14:24:51 < chrisdone> anyone feel like chatting on skype or mumble?
15 Jan 2010 14:26:24 < timonator> i feel extremely like going to bed right now, sorry :(
15 Jan 2010 14:26:32 < chrisdone> i hate you, timothy
15 Jan 2010 14:26:34 < timonator> you should come at a more fitting time next time
15 Jan 2010 14:26:37 < timonator> i hate your mom
15 Jan 2010 14:26:42 < timonator> make more lojban youtube videos?
15 Jan 2010 14:27:01 < chrisdone> yeah?
15 Jan 2010 14:27:22 < timonator> thank you
15 Jan 2010 14:27:34 < chrisdone> i think you were fine
15 Jan 2010 14:27:40 < chrisdone> and that i trigger you wanting to go to bed
15 Jan 2010 14:27:45 < chrisdone> you're afraid of me
15 Jan 2010 14:27:47 < chrisdone> you're afraid of my love
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15 Jan 2010 15:54:52 < lindar> coi
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15 Jan 2010 16:04:37 < IAmTheMrGuy> Hi
15 Jan 2010 16:05:05 < Hugglesworth> Hi MrGuy
15 Jan 2010 16:05:10 < IAmTheMrGuy> How are you?
15 Jan 2010 16:06:23 < Hugglesworth> kanro
15 Jan 2010 16:07:12 < IAmTheMrGuy> Good to hear
15 Jan 2010 16:07:13 < Hugglesworth> you?
15 Jan 2010 16:08:23 < Hugglesworth> oh... coi lindar
15 Jan 2010 16:09:16 < IAmTheMrGuy> I am very new to Lojban
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15 Jan 2010 16:09:32 < lindar> Helloooooo there.
15 Jan 2010 16:09:32 < IAmTheMrGuy> But I've been reading some of the online lessons
15 Jan 2010 16:09:41 < Hugglesworth> great
15 Jan 2010 16:09:50 < lindar> That's pretty nifty. So, how can I help you, Mr. Guy?
15 Jan 2010 16:10:08 < Hugglesworth> if you've got the time a couple people around here would probably be willing to help you
15 Jan 2010 16:10:14 < Hugglesworth> s/help/teach
15 Jan 2010 16:10:34 < IAmTheMrGuy> Great, thank you
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15 Jan 2010 16:12:03 < lindar> So, what can I do for you?
15 Jan 2010 16:14:41 < IAmTheMrGuy> do tavla ma
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15 Jan 2010 16:15:26 < Hugglesworth> ly tavla do
15 Jan 2010 16:15:38 < lindar> .i mi tavla la'oi IAmTheMrGuy
15 Jan 2010 16:17:56 < IAmTheMrGuy> I'm not sure what you could help me with, and ideas? haha
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15 Jan 2010 16:18:25 < lindar> Hey, it's djan!
15 Jan 2010 16:18:43 < lindar> IAmTheMrGuy: What's your native language?
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15 Jan 2010 16:19:19 < IAmTheMrGuy> @lindar English
15 Jan 2010 16:19:36 < IAmTheMrGuy> any ideas*
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15 Jan 2010 16:27:46 < lindar> Any ideas for what?
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15 Jan 2010 16:28:13 < lindar> I'm here if you have questions or if you'd like a formal lesson on any particular topic.
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15 Jan 2010 16:28:46 < IAmTheMrGuy> Thank you very much for the offer, I will be sure to give you a buzz if I think of anything
15 Jan 2010 16:28:48 < lindar> I'm also the head of the Gnome translation project and hoping to get somebody else to start up a Wiki translation project.
15 Jan 2010 16:29:37 < Hugglesworth> lindar: what do we have setup for the gnome translation so far?
15 Jan 2010 16:30:48 < lindar> Absolutely nothing. Have you signed up for the Google Group?
15 Jan 2010 16:31:15 < Hugglesworth> no
15 Jan 2010 16:31:18 < Hugglesworth> link?
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15 Jan 2010 16:37:51 < lindar> http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/
15 Jan 2010 16:38:42 < sam_tceipyn_> doi lindar. mi djica lenu sidju la .uikipidias
15 Jan 2010 16:39:45 < lindar> sidju fi ma
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15 Jan 2010 16:48:52 < lindar> ... sidju fi ma doi sam_tceipyn_
15 Jan 2010 16:53:03 < sam_tceipyn_> ju'onairu'e le fanva be le cmalu se karni bei fo le glibau
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15 Jan 2010 16:56:38 < lindar> I'm sorry, I don't understand you one bit. >_>
15 Jan 2010 16:57:16 < sam_tceipyn_> Sorry, I'm a complete beginner and that was probably wrong.
15 Jan 2010 16:58:07 < sam_tceipyn_> "(slight uncertainty) the translation of small pieces of content from English"
15 Jan 2010 16:58:27 < lindar> Ahh... lo fanva is a translator.
15 Jan 2010 16:58:45 < sam_tceipyn_> Oh right.
15 Jan 2010 16:58:47 < sam_tceipyn_> Forgot the abstraction.
15 Jan 2010 16:59:00 < sam_tceipyn_> For starters.
15 Jan 2010 16:59:42 < sam_tceipyn_> Let me see if I can do that correctly...
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15 Jan 2010 17:00:41 < lindar> You said "I'd like to assist the Wikipedia be a translator of small journal entries to English." I believe.
15 Jan 2010 17:02:30 < sam_tceipyn_> You asked me what I'd like to help the Wikipedia with, and I was trying to say "the translation of". xe fanva? Or is it malglico to talk about the result of the translation like that, when I mean something more like the process of translating?
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15 Jan 2010 17:03:35 < lindar> You could just say, {.i mi djica lo nu sidju fi lo nu fanva la .uikipidias. la .lojban.}.
15 Jan 2010 17:03:49 < lindar> Say what you mean.
15 Jan 2010 17:03:51 < lindar> =D
15 Jan 2010 17:04:10 < lindar> .i mi cliva .i de'a jundi
15 Jan 2010 17:08:11 < sam_tceipyn_> je'e
15 Jan 2010 17:08:13 < lindar> di'a
15 Jan 2010 17:11:57 < sam_tceipyn_> mi puvi zgana le do samxa'a
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15 Jan 2010 17:17:27 < kribacr> coi pendo
15 Jan 2010 17:21:00 < djanatyn_> coi pendo
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15 Jan 2010 17:23:57 < djanatyn_> Umm. Bye. :(
15 Jan 2010 17:31:31 < IAmTheMrGuy> One of my friends just said this to me:
15 Jan 2010 17:31:38 < IAmTheMrGuy> "ko pendo ko"
15 Jan 2010 17:31:45 < IAmTheMrGuy> Is it correct grammar?
15 Jan 2010 17:31:56 < IAmTheMrGuy> He says it means "Be your own friend"
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15 Jan 2010 17:43:57 < lindar> Technically, but at that point it's redundant because x1 and x2 are kinda the same.
15 Jan 2010 17:45:06 < IAmTheMrGuy> So, what would you say instead?
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15 Jan 2010 17:50:25 < lindar> I wouldn't say it. It sounds stupid in Lojban.
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15 Jan 2010 17:50:44 < klaid> What sounds stupid?
15 Jan 2010 17:51:17 < lindar> AmTheMrGuy> One of my friends just said this to me:
15 Jan 2010 17:51:17 < lindar> <IAmTheMrGuy> "ko pendo ko"
15 Jan 2010 17:51:17 < lindar> <IAmTheMrGuy> Is it correct grammar?
15 Jan 2010 17:51:17 < lindar> <IAmTheMrGuy> He says it means "Be your own friend"
15 Jan 2010 17:51:29 < klaid> Why is that stupid?
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15 Jan 2010 17:55:45  * klaid de'a jundi
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15 Jan 2010 17:59:55 < IAmTheMrGuy> Hi, my computer died
15 Jan 2010 18:02:43 < IAmTheMrGuy> So, if you answered my previous question, could you please repeat it?
15 Jan 2010 18:04:15 < codrus> IAmTheMrGuy: it's fine
15 Jan 2010 18:05:35 < IAmTheMrGuy> Ok, thank you
15 Jan 2010 18:13:38 < codrus> how did you get someone from bugzilla.gnome.org to join?? wth and another guy from gnome.org
15 Jan 2010 18:15:53 < lindar> Uhh, I manually added those two names because they're the bugzilla report addresses for the bugzilla account for our translation.
15 Jan 2010 18:16:24 < lindar> My response: I wouldn't say it at all. It sounds stupid in Lojban.
15 Jan 2010 18:16:40 < codrus> ua
15 Jan 2010 18:17:24 < lindar> However, {ko ko kurji} seems to be a phrase used, which is similarly redundant.
15 Jan 2010 18:18:04 < lindar> I just wouldn't ever say {ko ko pendo} because it sounds silly.
15 Jan 2010 18:18:19 < IAmTheMrGuy> Ok, that makes sense
15 Jan 2010 18:18:55 < lindar> However, it means {.i ko pendo do} and {.i do pendo ko} simultaneously, which is silly because both places are the same.
15 Jan 2010 18:19:43 < codrus> it might make a nice song though
15 Jan 2010 18:19:54 < codrus> maybe with a girl singer
15 Jan 2010 18:20:44 < lindar> Yes, nice synthpop with parapara and a light show. >_>
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15 Jan 2010 18:27:45 < codrus> jbofi'e always amazes me
15 Jan 2010 18:27:54 < codrus> whoever did it did such a good job
15 Jan 2010 18:28:35 < codrus> Richard Curnow whoever that is. wonder what happened to him
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15 Jan 2010 18:30:15 < codrus> i'm so glad coyo fixed his exit message
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15 Jan 2010 18:40:08 < lindar> BANG
15 Jan 2010 18:40:43 < lindar> So, IAmTheMrGuy, how long have you been is spoke the lodge ban?
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15 Jan 2010 18:41:46 < lindar> >_>
15 Jan 2010 18:41:48 < lindar> Whatever.
15 Jan 2010 18:41:53 < codrus> u'i
15 Jan 2010 18:42:07 < purpleposeidon> i can speaks lodge ban?
15 Jan 2010 18:42:20 < codrus> absolutely not
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15 Jan 2010 18:42:54 < purpleposeidon> xukau mi kakne lo nu tavla bau la lojban
15 Jan 2010 18:43:01 < codrus> ue
15 Jan 2010 18:43:11 < lindar> You may not spoke lodge ban.
15 Jan 2010 18:43:11 < lindar> You may, however, fall in a hole.
15 Jan 2010 18:43:38  * purpleposeidon farlu lo do mamta
15 Jan 2010 18:43:45 < lindar> koko gletu
15 Jan 2010 18:44:03 < purpleposeidon> .ui mi gletu
15 Jan 2010 18:46:16 < purpleposeidon> mi nelci lo nu go'i
15 Jan 2010 18:48:42 < lindar> .i ko lojbo certu cusku
15 Jan 2010 18:49:57 < purpleposeidon> mi ba'e certu lojbo
15 Jan 2010 18:52:11 < lindar> pffffffffff...
15 Jan 2010 18:52:53 < purpleposeidon> mu'i ma do cusku zoizy. pffffffffff... .zy
15 Jan 2010 18:58:22 < lindar> mu'i lo du'u za'a do na certu
15 Jan 2010 18:58:32 < lindar> .i ma se jinvi
15 Jan 2010 19:12:12 < purpleposeidon> lo du'u fi lo ka certu ku fa mi do zmadu li rau
15 Jan 2010 19:13:00 < purpleposeidon> tozo'otoi
15 Jan 2010 19:20:46 < lindar> ...
15 Jan 2010 19:20:49 < lindar> nu gletu
15 Jan 2010 19:22:31 < lindar> Well, if anybody's looking for something to do, I have a CRAPLOAD of stuff to document for the translation project.
15 Jan 2010 19:23:22 < purpleposeidon> zo.ybu
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15 Jan 2010 19:28:55 < lindar> No?
15 Jan 2010 19:28:56 < lindar> No love?
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15 Jan 2010 19:48:51 < lindar> bang
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15 Jan 2010 20:04:16 < lindar> Well, I've finished documenting my results from the PHP output I got from jbo tiki.
15 Jan 2010 20:06:27 < codrus> i cann't get over how slow vmware is
15 Jan 2010 20:08:02 < codrus> i wonder what their user suicide rate is. i know i am almost a statistic
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15 Jan 2010 20:13:32 < cirzgamanti> doi lindar do mo
15 Jan 2010 20:14:32 < cirzgamanti> xu do tikygau le lojbo samci'ejudri
15 Jan 2010 20:15:44 < cirzgamanti> ko jundi doi lindar .u'i
15 Jan 2010 20:16:06 < lindar> >_>
15 Jan 2010 20:16:18 < lindar> Which lojbo samci'ejudri?
15 Jan 2010 20:17:04 < cirzgamanti> ¿ http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban ?
15 Jan 2010 20:17:36 < lindar> I've adjusted nothing.
15 Jan 2010 20:18:15 < lindar> I imagine we'll have a fully (and correctly) translated interface for the Lojban website after we've at least shifted into second gear on this project.
15 Jan 2010 20:18:52 < lindar> http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva I'm already revving my engine here as much as possible. Right now I need opinions and ideas.
15 Jan 2010 20:43:11 < lindar> So, what's going on?
15 Jan 2010 20:45:40 < lindar> >_>
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15 Jan 2010 20:54:18 < omologos> ui ca mumdei
15 Jan 2010 20:54:26 < omologos> :)
15 Jan 2010 20:55:42 < lindar> coooooiiiiiii
15 Jan 2010 20:56:54 < lindar> doi .omologos. do djuno lo .ai du'u mi fanva la'oi Gnome la .lojban vau xu
15 Jan 2010 20:57:04 < lindar> .i xu djica lo nu sidju
15 Jan 2010 20:57:30 < omologos> ua a'usai
15 Jan 2010 20:57:36 < omologos> .i au sidju
15 Jan 2010 20:57:59 < omologos> la url du ma
15 Jan 2010 20:58:16 < lindar> .i ko klama la'oi http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/
15 Jan 2010 20:59:55 < omologos> mi ca pilno
15 Jan 2010 21:01:17 < omologos> .i fanva ma doi lindar
15 Jan 2010 21:02:38 < lindar> Well, we're not translating anything just yet as I'm waiting for the thumbs-up from Gnome-l10n, but we're taking preliminary steps. See the various threads already created for more details.
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15 Jan 2010 21:04:19  * omologos ca tcidu
15 Jan 2010 21:05:56 < omologos> mi pu lifri lonu fanva la uikimedias pe le lojbo zei.uikipeidas
15 Jan 2010 21:06:08 < omologos> .iseki'ubo mi djuno lonu fanva
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15 Jan 2010 21:09:02 < lindar> .uaaaa.uiiiisaaaaaaiii ki'esaaaaiiiii
15 Jan 2010 21:12:27 < lindar> .i xu do djica lo nu fanva la .nom. ji la .uikipidias.
15 Jan 2010 21:12:45 < omologos> lindar: xu so'a jbopre cu pilno la gnomes
15 Jan 2010 21:12:59 < omologos> y
15 Jan 2010 21:13:05 < omologos> je
15 Jan 2010 21:14:11 < lindar> .yyyy na djuno .iku'i so'i jbopre cu pilno
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15 Jan 2010 21:16:05 < lindar> .i ta'o so'i jbopre cu pilno la ky.dy.ebu. .e lo drata
15 Jan 2010 21:18:54 < lindar> .i ta'onai lo nu fanva la .nom. cu xamgu ro lobypli ki'u lo du'u lo xe fanva ku se pilno ro lo lobypli ku lo nu fanva lo drata skami co'e
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15 Jan 2010 21:19:10 < nalzu`egasn> coi
15 Jan 2010 21:20:00 < omologos> coi
15 Jan 2010 21:20:08 < omologos> .i xu do nintadni
15 Jan 2010 21:20:29 < omologos> .ie doi lindar
15 Jan 2010 21:20:45 < omologos> are you a new student nalzu`egasn?
15 Jan 2010 21:20:56 < nalzu`egasn> indeed
15 Jan 2010 21:20:57 < lindar> .i mi do'u xu sa .i mi dansu
15 Jan 2010 21:21:49 < omologos> ui :)
15 Jan 2010 21:22:05 < omologos> nalzu`egasn : be very welcome!
15 Jan 2010 21:22:21 < omologos> have you found some studying material yet?
15 Jan 2010 21:22:35 < nalzu`egasn> yeah
15 Jan 2010 21:22:42 < omologos> good, which?
15 Jan 2010 21:22:44 < nalzu`egasn> u'u, mi pu na jindi
15 Jan 2010 21:23:09 < nalzu`egasn> I've been looking at a few things
15 Jan 2010 21:23:11 < omologos> zo jindi na lojbo valsi
15 Jan 2010 21:23:36 < omologos> do you have doubts?
15 Jan 2010 21:23:48 < nalzu`egasn> si jundi
15 Jan 2010 21:24:19 < nalzu`egasn> not really
15 Jan 2010 21:24:29 < nalzu`egasn> I think it's rather interesting
15 Jan 2010 21:25:01 < nalzu`egasn> I'm getting an MS in physics right now though, so my free time is rather variable
15 Jan 2010 21:25:08 < omologos> :) so do we
15 Jan 2010 21:25:18 < nalzu`egasn> I would guess so
15 Jan 2010 21:25:20 < omologos> i don't know what MS is
15 Jan 2010 21:25:30 < omologos> but I also study physics
15 Jan 2010 21:25:46 < nalzu`egasn> Master of Science
15 Jan 2010 21:26:04 < omologos> io
15 Jan 2010 21:26:06 < nalzu`egasn> mm, where at?
15 Jan 2010 21:26:45 < omologos> I think my degree matches what americans call an undergraduate
15 Jan 2010 21:27:02 < omologos> at Universidad Autónoma de Yucatán
15 Jan 2010 21:27:10 < omologos> that is, a mexican university
15 Jan 2010 21:27:15 < nalzu`egasn> ah
15 Jan 2010 21:27:37 < nalzu`egasn> I know several students from or in Mexico.
15 Jan 2010 21:27:44 < omologos> :)
15 Jan 2010 21:28:06 < nalzu`egasn> (which is also where half my family is from, although my Spanish is only so-so)
15 Jan 2010 21:28:42 < omologos> as far as I know i am the only mexican lojbanist
15 Jan 2010 21:28:58 < omologos> but that's alright...
15 Jan 2010 21:29:00 < nalzu`egasn> hmm
15 Jan 2010 21:29:10 < omologos> don't hesitate to ask questions here
15 Jan 2010 21:29:18 < nalzu`egasn> Oh, I know
15 Jan 2010 21:29:29 < nalzu`egasn> for example, I've become quite familiar with lindar
15 Jan 2010 21:30:54 < nalzu`egasn> Actually, I have a feeling that causation is going to give me some confusing moments
15 Jan 2010 21:31:29 < lindar> =D
15 Jan 2010 21:31:41 < lindar> Hey there, kitten hugger.
15 Jan 2010 21:31:41 < nalzu`egasn> since in English I don't think that I get it, and I'm not sure if my objection is philosophical, or communication orientation
15 Jan 2010 21:32:01 < nalzu`egasn> aww
15 Jan 2010 21:32:04 < nalzu`egasn> you love me?
15 Jan 2010 21:34:44 < omologos> huh?
15 Jan 2010 21:35:22 < nalzu`egasn> .i no mi djuno
15 Jan 2010 21:38:46 < lindar> .u'icai
15 Jan 2010 21:39:23 < nalzu`egasn> so in lojban, instead of adding "in bed" to the end of fortune cookies, can you just add ro'u to the beginning?
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15 Jan 2010 21:42:46 < lindar> .airo'u
15 Jan 2010 21:43:41 < nalzu`egasn> .ua
15 Jan 2010 21:43:43 < omologos> nalzu`egasn: exactly! that would be a clever use for ro'u
15 Jan 2010 21:43:56 < omologos> lindar: i've just replied to jbofanva
15 Jan 2010 21:44:33 < lindar> <3
15 Jan 2010 21:45:14 < omologos> what is the procedure for gnome aproval?
15 Jan 2010 21:45:42 < omologos> is it more than just "please add lojban" and "ok" ?
15 Jan 2010 21:46:41 < omologos> as a math person i've always found the expression <3 annoying
15 Jan 2010 21:46:58 < omologos> but don't pay much attention to that...
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15 Jan 2010 21:48:26 < omologos> lindar: i don't think a mailing list like that one is the best way to manage a proyect like that
15 Jan 2010 21:48:32 < nalzu`egasn> really, <3 just refers to the acceptable range of exceptions to theorems in number theory
15 Jan 2010 21:48:43 < omologos> threads are likely to be unbrowseable as they become larger
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15 Jan 2010 21:48:56 < omologos> i think a wiki would be better suite
15 Jan 2010 21:48:59 < omologos> *d
15 Jan 2010 21:49:36 < omologos> nalzu`egasn: what?? please elaborate
15 Jan 2010 21:49:50 < nalzu`egasn> u'i
15 Jan 2010 21:50:22 < nalzu`egasn> I meant that number theorists are often fine with 1 being an exception to a statement about the naturals
15 Jan 2010 21:50:29 < nalzu`egasn> or maybe 2
15 Jan 2010 21:50:37 < nalzu`egasn> but more than 3 gets confusing
15 Jan 2010 21:50:48 < omologos> oh right
15 Jan 2010 21:50:55 < nalzu`egasn> (there are numerous exceptions, this is a rule of thumb)
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15 Jan 2010 21:51:19 < omologos> but still it is used with no such expression to the left of <3
15 Jan 2010 21:51:40 < nalzu`egasn> I < 3
15 Jan 2010 21:51:55 < omologos> yeah, exceptions greater then 3 would be often disliked
15 Jan 2010 21:52:11 < omologos> i mean greater than 2
15 Jan 2010 21:52:22 < omologos> :)
15 Jan 2010 21:54:35 < nalzu`egasn> .ie ma'a nitcu le uitki
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15 Jan 2010 21:56:51 < omologos> le uitki cu mo
15 Jan 2010 21:57:16 < omologos> ua je'e
15 Jan 2010 21:57:55 < omologos> nalzu`egasn: we were talking about a proyect lindar started to translate gnome into lojban
15 Jan 2010 21:57:57 < Filomato> .ua cmug .u'ar .utiki c'ui
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15 Jan 2010 21:58:17 < omologos> je'enai
15 Jan 2010 21:58:42 < omologos> coi lindar .i xu do pu tcidu le mi se mrilu
15 Jan 2010 21:58:56 < nalzu`egasn> doi filomat. .uanai
15 Jan 2010 21:58:59 < omologos> Filomato: what did you mean?
15 Jan 2010 21:59:38 < lindar> .i mi ca go'e
15 Jan 2010 22:00:17 < omologos> doi nalzu`egasn do xamgu cusku i'e
15 Jan 2010 22:00:47 < Filomato> omologos:  hm i think i've said that correctly
15 Jan 2010 22:00:48 < lindar> .i mi pu tcidu
15 Jan 2010 22:00:53 < Filomato> do you not understand
15 Jan 2010 22:00:58 < omologos> i don't think so
15 Jan 2010 22:01:02 < Filomato> my lojban is perfect
15 Jan 2010 22:01:13 < Filomato> i know how to speak this language
15 Jan 2010 22:03:38 < lindar> o_O
15 Jan 2010 22:03:42 < lindar> .i coi cnino
15 Jan 2010 22:04:09 < omologos> .i pe'i cu'i fy cu me lai trol
15 Jan 2010 22:04:18 < lindar> .i do puzi cusku ma
15 Jan 2010 22:04:24 < nalzu`egasn> doi omologos ki'e
15 Jan 2010 22:04:39 < omologos> seki'e
15 Jan 2010 22:04:50 < omologos> sisi
15 Jan 2010 22:05:14 < omologos> fi'i nalzu`egasn
15 Jan 2010 22:05:50 < nalzu`egasn> .ui .i'i
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15 Jan 2010 22:07:11 < lindar> .i doi .filomaton. .i li'a do lojbo certu seki'u lo nu ko cusku bau la .lojban.
15 Jan 2010 22:07:20 < lindar> pe'usaaaaaiiiiiiii
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15 Jan 2010 22:07:52 < omologos> li'a nai
15 Jan 2010 22:07:56 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi djica lenu le lojbo cukta klama
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15 Jan 2010 22:08:16 < omologos> ma cukta
15 Jan 2010 22:08:41 < nalzu`egasn> the reference grammar
15 Jan 2010 22:10:20 < omologos> ua i'o zo'o
15 Jan 2010 22:11:11 < omologos> sisi
15 Jan 2010 22:11:15 < omologos> i'onai zo'o
15 Jan 2010 22:11:31 < omologos> .i au mi ponse ra
15 Jan 2010 22:11:58 < nalzu`egasn> u'i
15 Jan 2010 22:12:15 < omologos> zo'onai
15 Jan 2010 22:13:01 < nalzu`egasn> .iicu'i
15 Jan 2010 22:14:05 < omologos> lojban attitudinals often get me into unwanted fights with people
15 Jan 2010 22:14:10 < nalzu`egasn> .i ba'a bazi klama
15 Jan 2010 22:14:13 < nalzu`egasn> lol
15 Jan 2010 22:15:05 < omologos> i i'onai is often translated as envy
15 Jan 2010 22:15:14 < nalzu`egasn> yeah
15 Jan 2010 22:15:20 < nalzu`egasn> (I looked that one up)
15 Jan 2010 22:15:32 < omologos> but it can be understood as some sort of hatred
15 Jan 2010 22:15:40 < omologos> which is not what i meant
15 Jan 2010 22:15:55 < omologos> i meant merely that i wished i had that book
15 Jan 2010 22:16:09 < nalzu`egasn> I got that
15 Jan 2010 22:16:14 < nalzu`egasn> I should probably have said
15 Jan 2010 22:16:18 < omologos> ok, :)
15 Jan 2010 22:16:20 < nalzu`egasn> .iicu'i zo'o
15 Jan 2010 22:16:36 < omologos> but why be afraid?
15 Jan 2010 22:17:16 < nalzu`egasn> I was playing along with you switching zo'o to zo'onai
15 Jan 2010 22:17:51 < omologos> :)
15 Jan 2010 22:18:16 < omologos> when i said zo'onai i wanted to say that I seriously want the book
15 Jan 2010 22:18:21 < omologos> but ok, ok
15 Jan 2010 22:18:30 < neptunepink> zo'onai zo'o?
15 Jan 2010 22:18:42 < nalzu`egasn> humorously/seriously
15 Jan 2010 22:18:47  * omologos spoja
15 Jan 2010 22:19:06 < lindar> ko na spoja doi .omologos.
15 Jan 2010 22:19:52 < nalzu`egasn> I just realized that I had those backwards
15 Jan 2010 22:19:54 < nalzu`egasn> u'i
15 Jan 2010 22:19:59 < nalzu`egasn> zo'o is humorously
15 Jan 2010 22:20:05 < nalzu`egasn> or sarcastically
15 Jan 2010 22:20:46 < omologos> lindar: I hope we succeed in the translation
15 Jan 2010 22:21:40 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi mutci pilno la Nom.
15 Jan 2010 22:21:55 < nalzu`egasn> sa
15 Jan 2010 22:22:20 < nalzu`egasn> mutce pilno la .nom.
15 Jan 2010 22:23:06 < omologos> .i mi go'i
15 Jan 2010 22:23:19 < omologos> .i ca pilno
15 Jan 2010 22:24:05 < omologos> .iku'i mi zmadu nelci zo .gnom.
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15 Jan 2010 22:25:03 < omologos> ko cliva doi trol
15 Jan 2010 22:26:08 < nalzu`egasn> I like how easy it is to make really difficult demands in lojban.
15 Jan 2010 22:26:45 < nalzu`egasn> like using ko with past tense
15 Jan 2010 22:27:01 < nalzu`egasn> ko pu cliva
15 Jan 2010 22:27:20  * neptunepink vanishes into an alternate time
15 Jan 2010 22:27:20 < omologos> ko kanji ko
15 Jan 2010 22:27:46 < omologos> neptunepink is very obedient
15 Jan 2010 22:28:16 < nalzu`egasn> .ie
15 Jan 2010 22:30:33 < nalzu`egasn> .i .e'o ko jungo
15 Jan 2010 22:31:04 < neptunepink> omologos: I'm sure it's quite easy to make it so that "ko pu cliva" is true.
15 Jan 2010 22:31:50 < omologos> yes, but not only if you know the command before it's made
15 Jan 2010 22:32:01 < omologos> eh, sa
15 Jan 2010 22:32:11 < omologos> yes, but only if you know the command before it's made
15 Jan 2010 22:32:12 < neptunepink> If I have left, then mi pu c liva
15 Jan 2010 22:32:26 < nalzu`egasn> but that will still have been false when I said it?
15 Jan 2010 22:32:34 < nalzu`egasn> actually, I wonder
15 Jan 2010 22:32:45 < nalzu`egasn> if I say .i ko puzu cliva
15 Jan 2010 22:32:56 < omologos> yes, neptunepink didn't really obey
15 Jan 2010 22:33:19 < omologos> but intention is what counts
15 Jan 2010 22:33:27 < omologos> :)
15 Jan 2010 22:35:32 < lindar> =P
15 Jan 2010 22:37:30 < omologos> co'o jbopre
15 Jan 2010 22:37:32 < nalzu`egasn> Hmm, I need to find something in the public domain that I care enough to start translating to lojban (that's more literary than the Gnome interface).
15 Jan 2010 22:37:38 < nalzu`egasn> co'o omologos
15 Jan 2010 22:37:38 < omologos> i mi bazi sipna uo
15 Jan 2010 22:37:45 < nalzu`egasn> 6.320
15 Jan 2010 22:37:59 < nalzu`egasn> .i u'i le mi gerku cusku
15 Jan 2010 22:38:16 < omologos> there are a couple of translation proyects
15 Jan 2010 22:38:47 < omologos> i started http://translated.by/you/la-edad-de-oro/into-jbo/trans/
15 Jan 2010 22:39:00 < omologos> which is collection of children's tales
15 Jan 2010 22:39:26 < nalzu`egasn> hmm
15 Jan 2010 22:39:30 < omologos> and there is http://translated.by/you/antarctic-treaty/into-jbo/trans/
15 Jan 2010 22:39:37 < nalzu`egasn> I could do Aesop's fables, actually
15 Jan 2010 22:39:48 < nalzu`egasn> although on second thought
15 Jan 2010 22:39:59 < nalzu`egasn> I sort of want to do something originally English
15 Jan 2010 22:40:07 < omologos> if you add it to translated.by i could help out...
15 Jan 2010 22:40:13 < nalzu`egasn> hmm
15 Jan 2010 22:40:14 < omologos> Aesop would be great
15 Jan 2010 22:40:51 < nalzu`egasn> If I felt really masochistic I could do Shakespeare sonnets
15 Jan 2010 22:41:14 < nalzu`egasn> I'll figure something out
15 Jan 2010 22:41:17 < lindar> I would greatly appreciate you using the group I've started as a discussion form so we have a cohesive resource of terminology specific to particular things. If you're translating a Faerie Tale, perhaps you could start a thread of "Faerie Tale Vocabulary and Terminology".
15 Jan 2010 22:41:18 < omologos> poetry tends to suffer if it gets translated
15 Jan 2010 22:41:38 < nalzu`egasn> it does, but it can be worthwhile if you are careful
15 Jan 2010 22:42:05 < nalzu`egasn> the reason it would be masochistic is that I would have to be _way_ too careful for comfort
15 Jan 2010 22:42:06 < omologos> lindar: then it's not intended as a just-gnome proyect?
15 Jan 2010 22:42:40 < omologos> well, see you guys later
15 Jan 2010 22:42:43 < omologos> eh
15 Jan 2010 22:42:55 < nalzu`egasn> see you omologos
15 Jan 2010 22:42:55 < omologos> you're a guy right nalzu`egasn ?
15 Jan 2010 22:43:04 < nalzu`egasn> indeed
15 Jan 2010 22:43:17 < omologos> i get lot's of unconfortable moments in irc for not knowing people's sex
15 Jan 2010 22:43:18 < omologos> ok
15 Jan 2010 22:43:19 < lindar> No no, it's not -just- for the Gnome project, it's for translating anything. I'd love to have it be a place to coordinate multiple translation projects.
15 Jan 2010 22:43:20 < omologos> cya
15 Jan 2010 22:43:21 < nalzu`egasn> lol
15 Jan 2010 22:43:26 < nalzu`egasn> cya
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15 Jan 2010 23:04:48 < lindar> Is there a macro key to switch channels in XChat?
15 Jan 2010 23:09:37 < lindar> STOP BEING BORING I WILL DESTROY YOU
15 Jan 2010 23:10:03 < neptunepink> xu do nelci lo nu daspo
15 Jan 2010 23:10:35 < lindar> GO'I
15 Jan 2010 23:10:37 < lindar> SAI
15 Jan 2010 23:10:56 < neptunepink> .ii
15 Jan 2010 23:11:02 < codrus> .ii
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15 Jan 2010 23:12:21 < lindar> My damn keyboard won't let me use the compose key.
15 Jan 2010 23:12:37 < lindar> Which key is it that lets me use superflexes?
15 Jan 2010 23:13:23 < neptunepink> Hooray for looting the Stockpot Inn!
15 Jan 2010 23:16:15 < codrus> <_<
15 Jan 2010 23:16:43 < lindar> .i .ai catra
15 Jan 2010 23:16:53 < nalzu`egasn> zelda?
15 Jan 2010 23:16:54 < neptunepink> oh, uh, #jbopre
15 Jan 2010 23:17:02 < lindar> ki'esai
15 Jan 2010 23:17:03 < neptunepink> .go'i
15 Jan 2010 23:17:04 < lindar> ko lojbo
15 Jan 2010 23:17:06 < neptunepink> .u'i
15 Jan 2010 23:17:11 < neptunepink> mi me la dekus
15 Jan 2010 23:18:04 < lindar> ...
15 Jan 2010 23:18:28 < lindar> lo tricu pe la .dekun.
15 Jan 2010 23:19:27 < nalzu`egasn> .ienai
15 Jan 2010 23:19:43 < nalzu`egasn> .i lo tricu na'e zvati
15 Jan 2010 23:19:56 < neptunepink> (ugh, flashback is being horribly flickery)
15 Jan 2010 23:20:10 < neptunepink> (err, I can't see ANYTHING)
15 Jan 2010 23:21:46 < nalzu`egasn> sa
15 Jan 2010 23:22:15 < nalzu`egasn> .i le tricu cu na'e zvati le se kelci
15 Jan 2010 23:22:50 < nalzu`egasn> .i xu do kelci la .majorasmask.
15 Jan 2010 23:23:04 < nalzu`egasn> doi neptunepink
15 Jan 2010 23:23:51 < neptunepink> 00
15 Jan 2010 23:23:57 < neptunepink> oops, uhm, ignore me
15 Jan 2010 23:24:23  * neptunepink makes note to change super-user password
15 Jan 2010 23:26:13 < lindar> .i u'usai le nobli ku zvati lo drata badydi'u
15 Jan 2010 23:26:57 < nalzu`egasn> .u'isai
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15 Jan 2010 23:27:52 < lindar> Chaz?
15 Jan 2010 23:27:56 < lindar> Guest26332?
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15 Jan 2010 23:28:32 < lindar> Nobody?
15 Jan 2010 23:30:13 < nalzu`egasn> I'm totally going to translate "A Modest Proposal"
15 Jan 2010 23:30:25 < nalzu`egasn> "It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms."
15 Jan 2010 23:30:59 < nalzu`egasn> If I can translate that with any intelligibility, I'll get vastly better at the grammar. (pe'i)
15 Jan 2010 23:31:39 < lindar> Well, you're welcome to start a translation thread. Do you have the entire text available to distribute, and is it legal to do so?
15 Jan 2010 23:31:56 < nalzu`egasn> Check and check
15 Jan 2010 23:32:08 < nalzu`egasn> (from 1729)
15 Jan 2010 23:32:29 < neptunepink> Not that it has any intelligibility to begin with.
15 Jan 2010 23:33:04 < codrus> nine comas
15 Jan 2010 23:33:09 < neptunepink> OH SNAP
15 Jan 2010 23:33:13 < nalzu`egasn> lol
15 Jan 2010 23:33:46 < nalzu`egasn> It's deliberately pretentious (he was a satirist)
15 Jan 2010 23:33:54 < neptunepink> Indeed.
15 Jan 2010 23:34:03 < lindar> Well, please join up (( http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/ )) and start up a thread. Post your translation proposal, how you'd like to go about it, and the material to be translated.
15 Jan 2010 23:34:06 < neptunepink> I'm not sure about this 'melancholy object' thing.
15 Jan 2010 23:34:33 < lindar> It's perhaps an archaic meaning?
15 Jan 2010 23:34:53 < nalzu`egasn> It means se badri
15 Jan 2010 23:34:57 < neptunepink> Probably.
15 Jan 2010 23:35:35 < neptunepink> Perhaps meaning: it is sad to be the one walking (like, have the object/goal of walking)
15 Jan 2010 23:36:25 < nalzu`egasn> The commas did not mean the same thing as they do nowadays
15 Jan 2010 23:37:10 < nalzu`egasn> so, what he is saying is that the goers and travellers are saddened by (rest of the sentence)
15 Jan 2010 23:37:34 < neptunepink> You get to invent archaic lojban. :P
15 Jan 2010 23:38:06 < nalzu`egasn> ha, I don't quite think so, although perhaps I get to decide how to translate archaic words
15 Jan 2010 23:38:35 < neptunepink> Just separate the author's (whose name I can't recall pane or something) paragraphs with ".i"
15 Jan 2010 23:38:48 < nalzu`egasn> Jon Swift
15 Jan 2010 23:39:00 < neptunepink> John Stewart Mill?
15 Jan 2010 23:39:25 < nalzu`egasn> no, he was late 1800s and a serious political/philosophical guy
15 Jan 2010 23:39:44 < nalzu`egasn> Jonathan Swift was a lot earlier and wrote Gulliver's travels
15 Jan 2010 23:39:59 < nalzu`egasn> although they both use sentences that are way too complex
15 Jan 2010 23:40:10 < neptunepink> .u'i
15 Jan 2010 23:40:14  * neptunepink hasn't read Gulliver's travels
15 Jan 2010 23:40:39 < nalzu`egasn> I like it
15 Jan 2010 23:40:41 < nalzu`egasn> but
15 Jan 2010 23:40:50 < nalzu`egasn> I'm kind of a literature fanatic sometimes
15 Jan 2010 23:41:03 < nalzu`egasn> here's one of Mill's sentences
15 Jan 2010 23:41:05 < nalzu`egasn> THERE ARE few circumstances among those which make up the present condition of human knowledge, more unlike what might have been expected, or more significant of the backward state in which speculation on the most important subjects still lingers, than the little progress which has been made in the decision of the controversy respecting the criterion of right and wrong.
15 Jan 2010 23:41:44 < neptunepink> You may be wondering how things like the Internet come about. Sentences like that are not how.
15 Jan 2010 23:41:47 < nalzu`egasn> And Dickens does it too. Stupid English. Although I suspect all these sentences compress substantially in lojban.
15 Jan 2010 23:42:38  * neptunepink sipna
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16 Jan 2010 00:02:22 < vesna> coisai
16 Jan 2010 00:02:50 < nalzu`egasn> coi vesna
16 Jan 2010 00:03:09 < vesna> coi nalzu .i ma cnino
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16 Jan 2010 00:08:00 < vesna> coi la'oi Hugglesworth
16 Jan 2010 00:08:12 -!- Hugglesworth is now known as drunk_Huggles
16 Jan 2010 00:08:13 < drunk_Huggles> coi
16 Jan 2010 00:08:38 < vesna> xu do xalbebna
16 Jan 2010 00:08:49 < nalzu`egasn> .i u'u
16 Jan 2010 00:08:53 < nalzu`egasn> .i go'e
16 Jan 2010 00:08:59 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi cnino
16 Jan 2010 00:09:10 < vesna> .ua doi nalzu
16 Jan 2010 00:09:20 < vesna> fi'i
16 Jan 2010 00:09:38 < vesna> doi redo ma tcika vi do
16 Jan 2010 00:09:38 < nalzu`egasn> ki'e
16 Jan 2010 00:09:39 < drunk_Huggles> go'i .i mi xalbebna
16 Jan 2010 00:09:54 < vesna> do xalbebna fi ma
16 Jan 2010 00:10:53 < drunk_Huggles> lo vanju
16 Jan 2010 00:10:53 < lindar> Yay! When is Huggles not drunk, though? drunk_Huggles implies that Huggles at some point is sober.
16 Jan 2010 00:11:13 < drunk_Huggles> Huggles is usually sober, but it's hard to tell non the less
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16 Jan 2010 00:12:32 < vesna> xu do puzi co'a klama fi lo tersla
16 Jan 2010 00:12:54 < drunk_Huggles> go'i
16 Jan 2010 00:13:03 < vesna> uidai
16 Jan 2010 00:13:42 < vesna> le tersla pu zvati ma\
16 Jan 2010 00:14:16 < vesna> doi nalzu ma tcika vi do
16 Jan 2010 00:14:46 < drunk_Huggles> lo nalzu mo
16 Jan 2010 00:14:52 < nalzu`egasn> pa
16 Jan 2010 00:14:56 < drunk_Huggles> si cu mo
16 Jan 2010 00:15:15 < nalzu`egasn> li pa po'e pamu
16 Jan 2010 00:15:23 < vesna> lo'ai nalzu sa'ai la nalzu le'ai
16 Jan 2010 00:15:36 < vesna> nalzu, you meant pi'e?
16 Jan 2010 00:15:45 < nalzu`egasn> yeah >.<
16 Jan 2010 00:15:49 < vesna> :)
16 Jan 2010 00:16:20 < vesna> mu'i ma do na co'a sipna
16 Jan 2010 00:17:39 < nalzu`egasn> ca le nicte mi na'e sipna
16 Jan 2010 00:17:52 < vesna> ue
16 Jan 2010 00:18:00 < vesna> xu do nicte prenu
16 Jan 2010 00:18:11 < nalzu`egasn> go'i
16 Jan 2010 00:18:17 < vesna> uidai
16 Jan 2010 00:18:55 < nalzu`egasn> mi gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:19:07 < vesna> uesai
16 Jan 2010 00:19:25 < nalzu`egasn> mi na'e mutce gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:19:25 < vesna> xu do gunka ca le nicte
16 Jan 2010 00:19:32 < nalzu`egasn> go'i
16 Jan 2010 00:19:39 < vesna> xu do gunka caku
16 Jan 2010 00:20:07 < vesna> sa xu do ca'o gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:20:22 < vesna> si si ca ca'o gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:20:43 < vesna> u'u
16 Jan 2010 00:21:07 < nalzu`egasn> .y.
16 Jan 2010 00:21:16 < nalzu`egasn> mi ca ca'o gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:21:23 < vesna> ue
16 Jan 2010 00:21:27 < nalzu`egasn> .i na'e mutce gunka
16 Jan 2010 00:21:31 < vesna> ua
16 Jan 2010 00:21:42 < vesna> do ca ca'o gunka ma
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16 Jan 2010 00:22:56 < nalzu`egasn> mi ve balcu'e fi termu'eske
16 Jan 2010 00:23:38 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi puza kulmu'o
16 Jan 2010 00:23:49 < nalzu`egasn> (graduate student?)
16 Jan 2010 00:24:21 < vesna> uasai
16 Jan 2010 00:24:32 < vesna> mi mutce nelci le termu'eske
16 Jan 2010 00:24:57 < vesna> i'osai
16 Jan 2010 00:25:02 < nalzu`egasn> mi kakne lenu cuxna lenu gunka ca nicte
16 Jan 2010 00:25:37 < vesna> uidai
16 Jan 2010 00:26:19 < vesna> i'onai mi na kakne lonu pensi kei ca le nicte
16 Jan 2010 00:28:05 < nalzu`egasn> go'i ca le cerni
16 Jan 2010 00:28:14 < nalzu`egasn> sa
16 Jan 2010 00:28:19 < nalzu`egasn> mi go'i ca le cerni
16 Jan 2010 00:29:31 < vesna> ua
16 Jan 2010 00:29:36 < vesna> mi na mulno jimpe .i xu do ca'o cilre fi le termu'eske gi'a ca'o ctuca fo ri
16 Jan 2010 00:32:25 < nalzu`egasn> mi facki fi le termu'eske
16 Jan 2010 00:32:50 < vesna> a'u
16 Jan 2010 00:32:58 < nalzu`egasn> .i cnino facki
16 Jan 2010 00:33:37 < nalzu`egasn> sa
16 Jan 2010 00:33:43 < nalzu`egasn> cnino se facki
16 Jan 2010 00:34:38 < lindar> GAY SEX
16 Jan 2010 00:35:28 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi zanfri ti
16 Jan 2010 00:36:41 < nalzu`egasn> mi facki fi le tubnu be le tabno
16 Jan 2010 00:36:57 -!- drunk_Huggles [n=raposa@d137-186-182-16.abhsia.telus.net] has quit ["fe'o"]
16 Jan 2010 00:38:15 < vesna> (carbon cylinder?)
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16 Jan 2010 00:38:51 < nalzu`egasn> .i navytre nopici
16 Jan 2010 00:39:05 < nalzu`egasn> Carbon nanotubes
16 Jan 2010 00:39:28 < vesna> .ua
16 Jan 2010 00:40:14 < vesna> mi jimpe noda lo navytre tubnu be le tabno
16 Jan 2010 00:40:57 < vesna> uinai
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16 Jan 2010 00:42:04 < vesna> mi tcidu la'e zoi url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube url
16 Jan 2010 00:42:21 < nalzu`egasn> oh, boy, I have little idea how to translate "tensile strength"
16 Jan 2010 00:43:07 < nalzu`egasn> i'e
16 Jan 2010 00:44:06 < vesna> hehehe... I think Lojban is not yet prepared to dive into such complicates subjects
16 Jan 2010 00:44:33 < vesna> a'u
16 Jan 2010 00:45:05 < nalzu`egasn> mi nelci la .uekypidias.
16 Jan 2010 00:45:16 < vesna> go'i ra'o
16 Jan 2010 00:45:52 < lindar> >_>
16 Jan 2010 00:46:12 < lindar> What the fuck is with everybody misspelling la .uikipidias.?
16 Jan 2010 00:46:38 < nalzu`egasn> I pronounce it that way
16 Jan 2010 00:46:41 < nalzu`egasn> u'u zo'o
16 Jan 2010 00:47:09 < nalzu`egasn> except that I use a non-lojbanic sound for the first "i"
16 Jan 2010 00:47:32 < vesna> xu do pu ba'o ciska fi la .uekypidias.
16 Jan 2010 00:48:14 < nalzu`egasn> .uanai
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16 Jan 2010 00:48:36 < bornfor> coi rodo :)
16 Jan 2010 00:48:40 < nalzu`egasn> coi
16 Jan 2010 00:48:44 < vesna> coi
16 Jan 2010 00:48:49 < bornfor> .i rodo mo
16 Jan 2010 00:48:54 < vesna> (have you written in wikipedia)
16 Jan 2010 00:49:14 < vesna> mi prenu
16 Jan 2010 00:49:20 < nalzu`egasn> .ua
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16 Jan 2010 00:49:42 < vesna> doi bornfor do ma
16 Jan 2010 00:49:45 < vesna> si mo
16 Jan 2010 00:50:26 < nalzu`egasn> doi bornfor mi zanfri
16 Jan 2010 00:50:35 < nalzu`egasn> doi vesna go'e
16 Jan 2010 00:51:13 < vesna> ki'a go'e .i xu do co'e la .uekypidias
16 Jan 2010 00:51:28 < nalzu`egasn> doi bornfor ji'a mi cnino
16 Jan 2010 00:51:38 < lindar> WTF Wek-uh-pee-dyas?
16 Jan 2010 00:51:48 < lindar> Do people actually say it that way?
16 Jan 2010 00:51:59 < lindar> Wekupedia?
16 Jan 2010 00:51:59 < vesna> .u'i
16 Jan 2010 00:52:06 < lindar> UIKIPIDIAS
16 Jan 2010 00:52:09 < nalzu`egasn> Wick(like the candle)-uh-pee-deea?
16 Jan 2010 00:52:26 < lindar> WEE-KEE-PEE-DYAS
16 Jan 2010 00:52:31 < bornfor> vesna: mi bisli :D
16 Jan 2010 00:52:32 < vesna> mi nelci lenu fanza la lindar
16 Jan 2010 00:52:33 < lindar> That's how we write it, that's how we say it.
16 Jan 2010 00:52:34 < nalzu`egasn> mabla bemro
16 Jan 2010 00:52:39 < lindar> .i ko lojbo
16 Jan 2010 00:53:00 < bornfor> mi na djice :(
16 Jan 2010 00:53:26 < bornfor> .i ko tavla in the other room.
16 Jan 2010 00:53:39 < vesna> u'i
16 Jan 2010 00:53:49 < vesna> (vi le drata kumfa)
16 Jan 2010 00:54:05 < bornfor> .uanai
16 Jan 2010 00:55:11 < vesna> mu'i ma do badri
16 Jan 2010 00:55:53 < vesna> xu co'e mu'i tu'a mi u'u
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16 Jan 2010 00:58:45 < vesna> doi nalzu do na simlu ka cnino kei mi ki'u lonu do mutce xamgu lojbo bo tavla
16 Jan 2010 00:59:26 < nalzu`egasn> ki'e
16 Jan 2010 01:00:09 < vesna> doi bornfor mi na pu ba'o viska do .i xu do cnino
16 Jan 2010 01:00:37 < bornfor> x______________________________________________x
16 Jan 2010 01:00:59 < bornfor> .i mi bisli .i mi na jimpe. .i mi na tavla fo la lojban.
16 Jan 2010 01:01:00 < vesna> Are you new to #lojban, bornfor?
16 Jan 2010 01:01:10 < bornfor> mi na .. ninpre
16 Jan 2010 01:01:17 < bornfor> .i mi na jbopre
16 Jan 2010 01:01:30 < bornfor> I'm sort of an eterna komencanto.
16 Jan 2010 01:01:32 < timonator> e'o ko jbopre ui au
16 Jan 2010 01:01:34 < bornfor> Does lojban have a word for this?
16 Jan 2010 01:01:37 < bornfor> 'eternal beginner'
16 Jan 2010 01:01:45 < timonator> try ze'e nintadni?
16 Jan 2010 01:02:45 < vesna> coi timos .i a'o xamgu cerni
16 Jan 2010 01:02:47 < timonator> maybe ze'e nalcertu
16 Jan 2010 01:03:11 < timonator> coi vesna i a'o xamgu cikna temci u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:03:26 < vesna> ui
16 Jan 2010 01:03:46 < vesna> ma tcika vi do
16 Jan 2010 01:03:52 < timonator> li pa no
16 Jan 2010 01:03:58 < timonator> go'i ra'o
16 Jan 2010 01:04:32 < vesna> (u mean go'e ra'o? asking me the same question?)
16 Jan 2010 01:04:47 < timonator> well, "li pa no" wasn't really a bridi
16 Jan 2010 01:04:55 < timonator> wasn't sure wether to say go'e or go'i
16 Jan 2010 01:04:56 < timonator> but yeah
16 Jan 2010 01:05:01 < timonator> i was asking you the same question
16 Jan 2010 01:05:06 < vesna> oh... interesting thought
16 Jan 2010 01:05:26 < vesna> li pa pa pe le cerni
16 Jan 2010 01:05:40 < timonator> lojban is 24h
16 Jan 2010 01:05:47 < vesna> oh right
16 Jan 2010 01:06:05 < vesna> and your in germany, which is GMT+1
16 Jan 2010 01:06:09 < timonator> yes
16 Jan 2010 01:06:10 < vesna> I'm in GMT+2
16 Jan 2010 01:06:14 < vesna> :)
16 Jan 2010 01:06:25 < timonator> ci pendo ba vitke mi i ei sai gasnu lo nu cnici gi'e jinsa
16 Jan 2010 01:06:57 < vesna> ua
16 Jan 2010 01:07:04 < vesna> ko cnici
16 Jan 2010 01:07:12 < vesna> a'o ko zanfri
16 Jan 2010 01:07:14 < bornfor> \o/
16 Jan 2010 01:07:16 < bornfor> pendo
16 Jan 2010 01:07:16 < timonator> mi to'e cnici
16 Jan 2010 01:07:22 < timonator> lo mi xadni cu kalsa
16 Jan 2010 01:07:25 < timonator> i ku'i melbi kalsa
16 Jan 2010 01:07:30 < bornfor> \o/ melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:08:02 < timonator> lo valsi goi ma rinka lo nu do gleki cusku zoi gy \o/ gy
16 Jan 2010 01:08:24 < timonator> (man that was a cool construction)
16 Jan 2010 01:09:04 < vesna> I'm still trying to understand you chaotic yet beautiful body
16 Jan 2010 01:09:09 < timonator> vesna: not to sound rude, but do i know you? (i kind of don't spend much time on this irc any more because of uni)
16 Jan 2010 01:09:11 < vesna> {your}
16 Jan 2010 01:09:26 < vesna> u'u
16 Jan 2010 01:09:31 < vesna> mi'e aviver ui
16 Jan 2010 01:09:39 < timonator> ua je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:10:35 < vesna> zo aviv selsmu lo vesna
16 Jan 2010 01:10:48 < vesna> bau le xebybau
16 Jan 2010 01:10:52 < vesna> ui
16 Jan 2010 01:11:07 < timonator> well, you see, my body is full of these fleshy thingies and all of it really is quite a complex and not at all orderly
16 Jan 2010 01:11:24 < timonator> biological "machines" are so utterly convoluted in places
16 Jan 2010 01:11:44 < vesna> I'm assuming that was a snide remark attributed to the fact that I got my command (ko cnici) wrong
16 Jan 2010 01:11:50 < timonator> yes, it was :)
16 Jan 2010 01:11:56 < timonator> i hope it didn't offend you
16 Jan 2010 01:12:00 < vesna> that's SO typical of you :)
16 Jan 2010 01:12:42 < vesna> ku'i mi za'o prami do
16 Jan 2010 01:12:55 < timonator> ue
16 Jan 2010 01:12:59 < timonator> do mo prami mi
16 Jan 2010 01:13:06 < vesna> pe'a
16 Jan 2010 01:13:12 < timonator> je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:13:21 < bornfor> mi na prami do
16 Jan 2010 01:13:21 < bornfor> :D
16 Jan 2010 01:13:32 < timonator> ki'e nai doi bornfor
16 Jan 2010 01:13:40 < bornfor> u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:13:53 < timonator> lo mi badna cu fusra ui nai
16 Jan 2010 01:13:55 < vesna> doi bornfor doi ma
16 Jan 2010 01:14:01 < bornfor> .i mi...
16 Jan 2010 01:14:04 < bornfor> prenu
16 Jan 2010 01:14:09 < bornfor> .ua.u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:14:38 < bornfor> hm
16 Jan 2010 01:14:39 < vesna> uinaidai doi timos
16 Jan 2010 01:14:39 < bornfor> aaron.
16 Jan 2010 01:14:53 < bornfor> doi vesna doi ma
16 Jan 2010 01:14:56 < timonator> aaron bishop? :)
16 Jan 2010 01:15:01 < bornfor> nah
16 Jan 2010 01:15:04 < bornfor> aaronsomebody.
16 Jan 2010 01:15:06 < bornfor> :p
16 Jan 2010 01:15:06 < vesna> rodo
16 Jan 2010 01:15:12 < timonator> i see
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16 Jan 2010 01:15:27 < timonator> i thought for a moment you might be the legendary creator of egoboo and soulfu ;)
16 Jan 2010 01:16:16 < bornfor> ha.
16 Jan 2010 01:16:22 < bornfor> no, i'm totally unremarkable, i assure you.
16 Jan 2010 01:16:30 < timonator> oh, well, that's no problem
16 Jan 2010 01:16:43 < timonator> we have utterly unremarkable as well as spectacular people converging here
16 Jan 2010 01:17:13 < vesna> I belong to the utterly unremarkable party
16 Jan 2010 01:17:19 < timonator> same as me
16 Jan 2010 01:17:31 < vesna> and the annoyingly stubborn party
16 Jan 2010 01:17:53 < timonator> that is very true
16 Jan 2010 01:17:58 < vesna> hehe
16 Jan 2010 01:18:05 < vesna> at least I'm self aware
16 Jan 2010 01:18:08 < bornfor> I'm the ununura member of the eterna komencanto party.
16 Jan 2010 01:18:13 < bornfor> the esperanto name here is ironic.
16 Jan 2010 01:18:33 < timonator> ah, it's esperanto
16 Jan 2010 01:18:39 < vesna> doi timos ko ganzu .ui
16 Jan 2010 01:19:05 < timonator> u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:19:22 < vesna> (took me a while)
16 Jan 2010 01:19:45 < vesna> (don't be surprised if sometime in the future you get a response from me to something you said 3 days ago)
16 Jan 2010 01:19:57 < timonator> u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:20:18 < vesna> mi masno lojbo bo tavla
16 Jan 2010 01:20:59 < timonator> do ba certu zenba
16 Jan 2010 01:21:28 < vesna> a'osai
16 Jan 2010 01:21:30 < vesna> ki'e
16 Jan 2010 01:22:53 < vesna> ko mojgau mi ledu'u makau se nanca lenu do cilre fi la lojban
16 Jan 2010 01:23:22 < timonator> y so'o da
16 Jan 2010 01:23:38 < vesna> sa'e ma
16 Jan 2010 01:23:44 < timonator> ko denpa
16 Jan 2010 01:23:49 < vesna> je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:24:33 < lindar> Shit, how do I look at my clipboard on Linux?
16 Jan 2010 01:24:39 < timonator> xclip
16 Jan 2010 01:24:46 < timonator> well, that's the x clipboard
16 Jan 2010 01:24:58 < timonator> the one you work with by selecting shit and then hitting the middle mouse button
16 Jan 2010 01:25:10 < timonator> KDE has klipper, which does magic stuff with all clipboards
16 Jan 2010 01:25:21 < timonator> i don't know what gnome has or what is independent from DE
16 Jan 2010 01:25:33 < lindar> >_<
16 Jan 2010 01:26:20 < timonator> dang, what's the "for the nth time" tense word?
16 Jan 2010 01:26:23 < lindar> xclipboard isn't it. It says another one is already running.
16 Jan 2010 01:26:29 < lindar> roi
16 Jan 2010 01:26:52 < timonator> no
16 Jan 2010 01:26:56 < timonator> roi is "for n times"
16 Jan 2010 01:27:13 < lindar> Shitshitshit how do I get the damn clipboard?
16 Jan 2010 01:27:28 < lindar> >_< Seriously.
16 Jan 2010 01:28:31 < timonator> start up a graphical text editor and paste stuff?
16 Jan 2010 01:29:01 < timonator> one of the clipboards has the limitation, that if you kill the program you copied from, you lose the data unless you have something like klipper running to catch it
16 Jan 2010 01:29:58 < vesna> doi timos xu do djica lonu tavla sepi'o la mambyl
16 Jan 2010 01:30:10 < timonator> mi djica lo drata u'i
16 Jan 2010 01:30:12 < timonator> si u'u
16 Jan 2010 01:30:24 < vesna> je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:30:32 < vesna> do djica ma
16 Jan 2010 01:30:48 < vesna> to sa'e toi
16 Jan 2010 01:31:33 < timonator> tu'a lo sluji
16 Jan 2010 01:31:51 < lindar> Okay, nevermind. >_>
16 Jan 2010 01:32:08 < lindar> Is there a macro key to switch channels in XChat?
16 Jan 2010 01:32:14 < lindar> Also, wtf you use KDE Timo?
16 Jan 2010 01:32:18 < timonator> no, i don't any more
16 Jan 2010 01:32:22 < timonator> did for quite some time
16 Jan 2010 01:32:26 < lindar> What do you use now?
16 Jan 2010 01:32:29 < timonator> now i run dwm
16 Jan 2010 01:32:34 < lindar> whassat?
16 Jan 2010 01:32:42 < timonator> it's a tiling window manager
16 Jan 2010 01:32:50 < timonator> i use it without a desktop environment
16 Jan 2010 01:33:04 < lindar> Huh?
16 Jan 2010 01:33:11 < lindar> Pics/Link?
16 Jan 2010 01:34:52 < vesna> xu la'e di'u selsmu do djica lonu sluji crezenzu'e
16 Jan 2010 01:35:16 < timonator> suckless.org :)
16 Jan 2010 01:35:22 < vesna> xu la'e di'u selsmu ledu'u do djica lonu sluji crezenzu'e
16 Jan 2010 01:35:28 < timonator> go'i
16 Jan 2010 01:35:33 < vesna> je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:35:35 < timonator> ki'e morji be lo valsi
16 Jan 2010 01:35:42 < vesna> je'e
16 Jan 2010 01:36:05 < timonator> no, wait
16 Jan 2010 01:36:13 < timonator> i think i made up another word
16 Jan 2010 01:36:29 < timonator> tsazenzu'e actually, wasn't it?
16 Jan 2010 01:36:55 < vesna> nope
16 Jan 2010 01:37:05 < vesna> that's not in makfa -or- the LLG dictionary
16 Jan 2010 01:37:14 < timonator> yeah
16 Jan 2010 01:37:23 < timonator> i made it up on the spot, didn't define it properly yet
16 Jan 2010 01:37:28 < vesna> oh
16 Jan 2010 01:37:38 < timonator> i should have it reviewed and come up with a sensible place structure
16 Jan 2010 01:38:02 < vesna> do sluji crezenzu'e mu'i ma
16 Jan 2010 01:39:15 < timonator> mi pacna lo nu mi ka'e certu muvdu
16 Jan 2010 01:39:31 < timonator> lo nu klama cu frili fi lo nu plipe kakne
16 Jan 2010 01:40:20 < timonator> i ji'a pacna lo nu lo mi xadni cu melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:41:03 < vesna> mu'i ma do pacna lonu le do xadni cu melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:41:22 < vesna> si si ba melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:41:53 < timonator> y
16 Jan 2010 01:42:43 < timonator> mi krici lo du'u lo nanmu poi se sluji lo milxe mutce tsali cu melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:43:07 < nalzu`egasn> q gidva
16 Jan 2010 01:43:21 < nalzu`egasn> sa
16 Jan 2010 01:43:56 < vesna> je'e ku'i do na spuda le mi preti
16 Jan 2010 01:44:14 < vesna> mu'i ma do pacna lonu le do xadni ba melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:44:28 < vesna> mu'i ma do djica lonu le do xadni ba melbi
16 Jan 2010 01:48:26 < vesna> ji'a xu do na kakne lonu tavla kei ca lonu do crezenzu'e .uesai
16 Jan 2010 01:50:23 < lindar> Timo, can you please help me out? How would I reinstall GRUB (specifically from Windows)?
16 Jan 2010 01:51:46 < timonator> uh
16 Jan 2010 01:52:14 < timonator> maybe grub has a windows executable that allows you to install it
16 Jan 2010 01:52:18 < lindar> >_>
16 Jan 2010 01:52:28 < timonator> if not, there are usb sticks
16 Jan 2010 01:52:29 < lindar> My husband's computer is fucked up beyond belief.
16 Jan 2010 01:52:38 < timonator> from which you hopefully can boot
16 Jan 2010 01:53:15 < timonator> vesna: i just read some emails
16 Jan 2010 01:53:19 < timonator> now back to your question
16 Jan 2010 01:53:42 < timonator> mi djica lo nu lo mi xadni ba melbi kei ki'u lo nu mi djica lo nu nelci lo mi xadni
16 Jan 2010 01:53:55 < lindar> Why does nobody know how how UI works?
16 Jan 2010 01:54:01 < lindar> srsly
16 Jan 2010 01:54:50 < timonator> should have used au?
16 Jan 2010 01:55:39 < nalzu`egasn> I didn't know you were married.
16 Jan 2010 01:56:05  * nalzu`egasn suspects he underestimated lindar's age...
16 Jan 2010 01:56:25 < timonator> lindar is surprising in many properties
16 Jan 2010 01:56:40 < lindar> Indeed.
16 Jan 2010 01:56:49 < vesna> especially in the amount of curse words he can fit in one sentence
16 Jan 2010 01:56:52 < lindar> I'm also a gay musician and audio engineer.
16 Jan 2010 01:57:19 < nalzu`egasn> like when he complains about being bored for 3 nights in a row, then starts up this whole translation business?
16 Jan 2010 01:57:39 < vesna> doi timos ua
16 Jan 2010 01:57:47 < vesna> ie
16 Jan 2010 01:57:49 < lindar> xD
16 Jan 2010 01:58:20 < timonator> no, you're a gay musician and a gay audio engeneer.
16 Jan 2010 01:58:22 < lindar> Well, nobody was providing entertainment, so I created my own.
16 Jan 2010 01:58:28 < lindar> Oh yeah! Timo, do you want to join my translation team? We're translating Gnome, somebody else is translating "A Modest Proposal", and I think somebody is planning on starting a Wikipedia translation team.
16 Jan 2010 01:58:36 < lindar> I'm also a gay cook.
16 Jan 2010 01:58:42 < lindar> ((Though not professionally.))
16 Jan 2010 01:58:46 < nalzu`egasn> what does a "gay audio engineer" do?
16 Jan 2010 01:58:54 < nalzu`egasn> what does any audio engineer do?
16 Jan 2010 01:59:00 < timonator> is the modest proposal the one where the guy says "make a game in which you can go to the developers and slaughter them?
16 Jan 2010 01:59:06 < vesna> what does a gay cook do differently from a straight cook
16 Jan 2010 01:59:19 < lindar> Uhhh... be the butt of a joke?
16 Jan 2010 01:59:20 < lindar> >_>
16 Jan 2010 01:59:36 < nalzu`egasn> The modest proposal is about eating babies
16 Jan 2010 01:59:40 < nalzu`egasn> so yes timo
16 Jan 2010 01:59:40 < timonator> it is?
16 Jan 2010 01:59:47 < lindar> Also, audio engineers are the ones that record the shitty bands you like, make it sound not quite so shitty, and then package it so you're able to listen to it on your shitty media player.
16 Jan 2010 01:59:47 < nalzu`egasn> yeah
16 Jan 2010 01:59:56 < timonator> i see
16 Jan 2010 02:00:03 < nalzu`egasn> it's one of the oldest pieces of english satire
16 Jan 2010 02:00:15 < nalzu`egasn> I see
16 Jan 2010 02:00:26 < timonator> lindar: i often listen to my music on my laptop speakers, which are tiny and kind of low-quality
16 Jan 2010 02:00:29 < timonator> how does that make you feel?
16 Jan 2010 02:00:35 < timonator> they are on the underside of my laptop.
16 Jan 2010 02:00:36 < lindar> I don't really care.
16 Jan 2010 02:00:59 < nalzu`egasn> I usually listen to my neighbor's stereo via a stethoscope.
16 Jan 2010 02:01:09 < nalzu`egasn> Well, not really, that was a total lie.
16 Jan 2010 02:01:11 < vesna> that poor?
16 Jan 2010 02:01:15 < nalzu`egasn> It entertained me though
16 Jan 2010 02:01:24 < vesna> hehe yeah
16 Jan 2010 02:01:32  * timonator put on some socks and feels better now
16 Jan 2010 02:01:40 < nalzu`egasn> I am a graduate student who has no more grants coming...
16 Jan 2010 02:01:50 < vesna> yeah socks are very comforting companions
16 Jan 2010 02:02:01 < nalzu`egasn> next year I'm moving on to a new host
16 Jan 2010 02:02:30 < timonator> you're a parasite?
16 Jan 2010 02:02:40 < vesna> hehehe
16 Jan 2010 02:02:41 < nalzu`egasn> graduate student, so yes
16 Jan 2010 02:03:00 < vesna> less of a parasite than a religious student
16 Jan 2010 02:03:17 < nalzu`egasn> The final stage of my life cycle will involve writing proposals for my own grants
16 Jan 2010 02:03:53 < nalzu`egasn> Thus moving to the biggest host of all, the US government
16 Jan 2010 02:05:46 < nalzu`egasn> ca smaji
16 Jan 2010 02:06:04 < timonator> vesna: what's your problem with sluji tsazenzu'e?
16 Jan 2010 02:06:24 < vesna> that it's not in the dictionary (yet)... sorry.. I only go by the book
16 Jan 2010 02:06:36 < timonator> no, i mean
16 Jan 2010 02:06:51 < timonator> what's your problem with lo nu mi tsali zenba zukte
16 Jan 2010 02:07:01 < timonator> well
16 Jan 2010 02:07:06 < timonator> si si si tsali bo zenba zukte
16 Jan 2010 02:07:27 < vesna> you don't need "bo"to right bind
16 Jan 2010 02:07:32 < vesna> si si left bind
16 Jan 2010 02:07:42 < timonator> of course i don't. what was i thinking?
16 Jan 2010 02:08:04 < vesna> all the muscle pumping has gone to your head
16 Jan 2010 02:08:10 < vesna> you've become a mindless goon
16 Jan 2010 02:08:12 < timonator> i didn't do any at all
16 Jan 2010 02:08:13 < vesna> si thug
16 Jan 2010 02:08:15 < timonator> today at least
16 Jan 2010 02:08:22 < timonator> i'm not going to become a thug
16 Jan 2010 02:08:24 < vesna> oh.. so you just like talking about it...
16 Jan 2010 02:08:28 < vesna> hehehe (like me)
16 Jan 2010 02:08:39 < timonator> i am offended
16 Jan 2010 02:08:48 < vesna> awwww... sorry
16 Jan 2010 02:08:59 < timonator> why do you think i'd try to become an ugly bodybuilder or coke vending machine type of person?
16 Jan 2010 02:09:00 < vesna> you know it's out of praminess
16 Jan 2010 02:09:08 < lindar> xD
16 Jan 2010 02:09:23 < vesna> I didn't say that
16 Jan 2010 02:09:40 < vesna> plus I missed the coke pun
16 Jan 2010 02:10:18 < timonator> in some parts of germany a person of rectangular shape (due to body building) is called a coke vending machine
16 Jan 2010 02:10:24 < vesna> oh
16 Jan 2010 02:10:29 < timonator> others call them closets/cupboards
16 Jan 2010 02:10:49 < lindar> I thought that was pretty obvious.
16 Jan 2010 02:10:54 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi xagji
16 Jan 2010 02:10:56 < lindar> You've never seen a cola vending machine?
16 Jan 2010 02:11:02 -!- lazni [n=lazni@118.71.1.87] has joined #lojban
16 Jan 2010 02:11:11 < vesna> I thought he meant a person that keeps buying coke from a vending machine...
16 Jan 2010 02:11:13 < nalzu`egasn> .i mi citka ma
16 Jan 2010 02:11:15 < timonator> no
16 Jan 2010 02:11:42 < vesna> because that person is dumb
16 Jan 2010 02:11:49 < nalzu`egasn> this is exactly the sort of situation lojban is for
16 Jan 2010 02:11:54 < vesna> and doesn't realize that coke is basically acid
16 Jan 2010 02:12:02 < vesna> yeah
16 Jan 2010 02:12:07 < vesna> too bad that wasnt said in lojban
16 Jan 2010 02:12:16 < nalzu`egasn> anything carbonated is acid...
16 Jan 2010 02:12:16 < vesna> care to try to translate, timos? (challenge)
16 Jan 2010 02:12:22 < timonator> which one?
16 Jan 2010 02:12:27 < timonator> the coke sentence?
16 Jan 2010 02:12:41 < vesna>  why do you think i'd try to become an ugly bodybuilder or coke vending machine type of person?
16 Jan 2010 02:12:56 < vesna> translate it in an unambiguos way
16 Jan 2010 02:13:34 < timonator> ki'u ma do xusra lo du'u mi troci lo nu tolmle traji se sluji gi'a tarmi simsa lo minji be lo nu vecnu la kokakolar
16 Jan 2010 02:14:14 < vesna> ki'a tolmle
16 Jan 2010 02:14:43 < timonator> to'e melbi
16 Jan 2010 02:14:47 < timonator> jvajvo
16 Jan 2010 02:15:31 < vesna> cool
16 Jan 2010 02:15:41 < vesna> that took you a lot less time than I expected - wtg
16 Jan 2010 02:16:22 < nalzu`egasn> .ue .ie
16 Jan 2010 02:16:55 < nalzu`egasn> si i'e
16 Jan 2010 02:17:34 < vesna> doi timos ti'u ma lei do vitke ba ca'o klama
16 Jan 2010 02:17:59 < vesna> (btw: how would I ditinguish the notion of "when will they be going" from "when will they be COMING"?
16 Jan 2010 02:18:23 < timonator> na birti
16 Jan 2010 02:19:09 < timonator> try something else entirely instead:
16 Jan 2010 02:19:12 < vesna> can I use a directional cmavo from FAhA?
16 Jan 2010 02:19:13 < timonator> ma tcika lo nu vitke do
16 Jan 2010 02:19:22 < timonator> yes, but you don't need to
16 Jan 2010 02:19:27 < timonator> check the x2 of klama ;)