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17 Jan 2010 02:52:32 < lindar> -__________-
17 Jan 2010 02:52:38  * lindar throws rocks.
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17 Jan 2010 03:37:37 < lindar> What's with everybody disconnecting and reconnecting?
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17 Jan 2010 03:47:24 < lericson> lindar: It's called a netsplit. IRC networks consist of a acyclic graphs, and when an edge is broken, two separate IRC universa are created. Then, when the link is back up, a netjoin occurs.
17 Jan 2010 03:48:15 < lericson> Because the IRC protocol is ill-equiped to tell clients about this, the effect seen is that loads of users quit and join.
17 Jan 2010 03:49:20 < lericson> Also, lindar, I work with Git on a daily basis. What can I help you with?
17 Jan 2010 03:50:39 < lindar> Oh geez, finally. I need to figure out how to start getting the Git repositories so I can start translating Gnome.
17 Jan 2010 03:50:52 < lericson> git clone <path to repo>
17 Jan 2010 03:51:41 < lindar> Yeah, I don't know what the path is.
17 Jan 2010 03:51:46 < lindar> That's the part I need help figuring out.
17 Jan 2010 03:51:56 < lericson> You probably need to check out the entirety of GNOME.
17 Jan 2010 03:52:15 < lericson> You also probably have to work with gettext.
17 Jan 2010 03:52:49 < lericson> pe'i gettext isn't very intuitive unless you were big in programming in the eighties.
17 Jan 2010 03:56:10 < lindar> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/GitHowTo#How_to_use_Git_for_GNOME_translators <--------- ?   http://git.gnome.org/browse/ <------?
17 Jan 2010 03:56:30 < lericson> Do you have a username?
17 Jan 2010 03:59:10 < lindar> I...don't...know.
17 Jan 2010 03:59:13 < lindar> -___-
17 Jan 2010 03:59:35 < lericson> It is sort of mission-critical. :P
17 Jan 2010 04:00:06 < lindar> I signed up for an account on ... uh ... *checks*.
17 Jan 2010 04:00:51 < lericson> How comfortable are you with working in a terminal?
17 Jan 2010 04:01:04 < lindar> Moderately to un.
17 Jan 2010 04:02:15 < lindar> I don't know if I do.
17 Jan 2010 04:02:16 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 04:02:24 < lindar> I've signed up for a lot of different accounts in doing all of this.
17 Jan 2010 04:03:24 < lericson> Well, ou don't theoretically need a username, it's just that you'll have to tell somebody who does have access to commit your stuff when you're done.
17 Jan 2010 04:04:30 < lindar> Do you know how I get one? -_____-
17 Jan 2010 04:04:40 < lindar> ((I feel like the biggest idiot right now.))
17 Jan 2010 04:05:02 < lericson> No idea, never worked on GNOME or any related project.
17 Jan 2010 04:05:19 < lericson> Well I did some work on libvte but that was limited to the Bugzilla.
17 Jan 2010 04:09:48 < lindar> I now have an account.
17 Jan 2010 04:09:52 < lindar> What do I do next?
17 Jan 2010 04:10:07 < lericson> Then follow the first instruction on that page.
17 Jan 2010 04:10:19 < lericson> As for which project you want to check out, I have no idea.
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17 Jan 2010 04:10:51 < lindar> Uhhhh... how do I know what directory to clone? That's the problem I'm having.
17 Jan 2010 04:11:08 < lericson> use that project list
17 Jan 2010 04:11:52 < lindar> It says "$ git clone ssh://MYUSERNAME@git.gnome.org/git/PACKAGENAME" but... do I just write a name from the project list? Do you have any tips as to where I should start?
17 Jan 2010 04:12:36 < lericson> I don't know, depends on how GNOME is structured. I'd guess one of the gnome-* projects is the one you want to translate.
17 Jan 2010 04:20:13 < lindar> How do I set up SSH?
17 Jan 2010 04:22:09 < lindar> doi lericson
17 Jan 2010 04:25:06 < lericson> "Set up" in terms of?
17 Jan 2010 04:25:37 < lindar> ...uhh... in terms of how do I log in to make this stuff go?
17 Jan 2010 04:26:19 < lericson> Well you can't do a whole lot in the setting up part of this. The GNOME people have to do that for you.
17 Jan 2010 04:26:27 < lindar> It says that I can't access *magic words* something something public key.
17 Jan 2010 04:26:41 < lericson> I have no idea how that's supposed to work, you probably got an e-mail giving you the SSH credentials.
17 Jan 2010 04:27:25 < lericson> There probably is a mailing list or somesuch for GNOME i18n
17 Jan 2010 04:27:33 < lindar> There is, and I'm on it.
17 Jan 2010 04:28:03 < lericson> And nobody has asked before?
17 Jan 2010 04:29:04 < lindar> How do you mean?
17 Jan 2010 04:30:40 < lericson> Nothing. It's just very hard for me to give you any help when I don't know what kind of information you've got, and how the GNOME teamdo SSH/Git.
17 Jan 2010 04:31:53 < lindar> It doesn't help that it expects me to know the basics of computers. >_>
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17 Jan 2010 04:50:24 < lindar> I managed to get some files by doing an anonymous copy or something... I'm not really sure. >_>
17 Jan 2010 04:50:33 < lindar> I'll figure out uploading stuff later.
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17 Jan 2010 04:59:31 < lindar> You know what? Fuck it. I'll do it all later. I can't look at that stuff right now.
17 Jan 2010 04:59:44 < lericson> :-)
17 Jan 2010 05:00:16 < lindar> In two hours I have to go somewhere I've never been and play music that, to be quite honest, I don't like -that- much.
17 Jan 2010 05:01:03 < lindar> I should have been in bed two hours ago, by the way.
17 Jan 2010 05:01:39 < lindar> ...and my brain is completely fried because I've taught three classes today, studied more Lojban, studied my second Eo lesson worksheet, and I've been trying to organise this whole translation effort.
17 Jan 2010 05:01:50 < lindar> This is what I do with my days off.
17 Jan 2010 05:03:00 < lericson> I woke up, laid still for about two-three hours, made some breakfast, and cleaned up a little.
17 Jan 2010 05:03:12 < lericson> This is what I do with my days off. :-)
17 Jan 2010 05:04:00 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 05:04:10 < lindar> Clearly I feel as if I don't accomplish enough.
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17 Jan 2010 05:17:25 < kpreid> lindar: I duh up and told you the URL for public access yesterday.
17 Jan 2010 05:17:29 < kpreid> s/duh/dug/
17 Jan 2010 05:17:32 < lindar> Face.
17 Jan 2010 05:17:34 < lindar> I did that.
17 Jan 2010 05:17:41 < lindar> Somebody else is helping me out with other stuff now. <3
17 Jan 2010 05:18:29  * kpreid vaguely confused
17 Jan 2010 05:18:37 < kpreid> Uh, okay. Got to go.
17 Jan 2010 05:21:10 < lindar> I've got the directory.
17 Jan 2010 05:21:17 < lindar> I'm trying to figure out what to do next.
17 Jan 2010 05:22:02 < lindar> Everything is already translated for some strange reason, but the language changes in each file. I would have assumed that the version I'd clone would just be blank. Additionally, there's a changelog. Am I supposed to fill that out manually, or...?
17 Jan 2010 05:27:16 < lericson> Hard to tell when we don't know what you did beyond "anonymous copy or something". :P
17 Jan 2010 05:27:27 < lindar> =D
17 Jan 2010 05:27:48 < lindar> WHATEVER
17 Jan 2010 05:27:58 < lindar> I'll deal with it when I'm not tired and pissed off.
17 Jan 2010 05:30:36 < lindar> I just need something to do to kill an hour.
17 Jan 2010 05:30:39  * lindar resorts to Hulu.
17 Jan 2010 05:31:47  * lericson brews some masala chai and relaxes
17 Jan 2010 05:34:23 < lindar> It must be nice being you.
17 Jan 2010 05:37:18 < lericson> Can't complain.
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17 Jan 2010 07:08:35 < codrus> coi lo soldei prenu
17 Jan 2010 07:16:30 < codrus> o'obu'onai ro da sipna oi
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17 Jan 2010 07:23:47 < codrus> xukau se cumki lo zu'o mi xruti fi lo ckana
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17 Jan 2010 07:27:59 < lindar> -__________________-
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17 Jan 2010 07:32:37 < timonator> coi lindar
17 Jan 2010 07:32:41 < timonator> mi mi melbi ca lo cabdei ui sai
17 Jan 2010 07:33:24 < lindar> yaaaaaay
17 Jan 2010 07:33:33 < timonator> lo mi xadni cidni cu se cortu ui nai oi ro'o
17 Jan 2010 07:33:36 < lindar> I'm miserable and tired because my band mates are Americans.
17 Jan 2010 07:33:53 < lindar> "Yeah, we'll pick you up at the school at 7!"
17 Jan 2010 07:34:46 < lindar> 7:30 rolls past, I call, they're asleep. "What? Oh, yeah... we'll pick you up at seven." "Uhh.. it's -past- seven. It's well past seven, in fact." "Oh dude... dude, I meant like, tonight seven."
17 Jan 2010 07:34:51 < lindar> -___________-
17 Jan 2010 07:35:20 < lindar> So I stayed up all night well past when I should have gone to bed.
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17 Jan 2010 07:37:59 < timonator> wtf
17 Jan 2010 07:40:46 < lindar> Yeah, because Americans are too lazy to switch to 24h time, I have to suffer.
17 Jan 2010 07:43:20 < timonator> fucking asshats
17 Jan 2010 07:44:40 < lindar> srsly
17 Jan 2010 07:44:51 < lindar> So, how's your day going, Timo?
17 Jan 2010 07:53:33 < lindar> ...
17 Jan 2010 07:54:06 < lindar> That well, huh?
17 Jan 2010 07:55:22 < lericson> Swedish word of the day: västkustskt
17 Jan 2010 07:55:43 < timonator> sorry
17 Jan 2010 07:55:47 < timonator> my laptop froze shut
17 Jan 2010 07:55:55 < lindar> Sexy.
17 Jan 2010 07:56:20 < lindar> Well, I think I'm going to get as much sleep as I can. -_____-
17 Jan 2010 07:56:24 < lericson> lindar: lol
17 Jan 2010 07:56:40 < lindar> Timo, do some work you lazy jerk. http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/
17 Jan 2010 07:56:51 < lindar> All of you, do work. There's plenty to be done.
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17 Jan 2010 07:57:08 < timonator> your mom.
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17 Jan 2010 08:17:28 < codrus> i feel like sending hate mail to adobe flash
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17 Jan 2010 08:22:19 < timonator> rossi!
17 Jan 2010 08:37:08 < rossi> timo
17 Jan 2010 08:37:27 < timonator> how are you doing?
17 Jan 2010 08:37:48 < rossi> quite fine
17 Jan 2010 08:38:12 < rossi> watching dexter
17 Jan 2010 08:38:25 < rossi> strange show
17 Jan 2010 08:38:37 < timonator> my parents love that show ;)
17 Jan 2010 08:39:57 < rossi> nice taste
17 Jan 2010 08:40:20 < timonator> they also watch the show with the "zoom in! now enhance!" scenes :))
17 Jan 2010 08:41:21 < rossi> hmmm
17 Jan 2010 08:41:36 < rossi> but dexter is really cool
17 Jan 2010 08:51:02 < donri> sebauko lojbo
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17 Jan 2010 09:01:58 < Dessous> Dexter rocks
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17 Jan 2010 09:11:09 < timonator> za'a doi rosin la dekster se nelci do
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17 Jan 2010 09:39:31 < djanatyn-fonxa> coi
17 Jan 2010 09:41:54 < djanatyn> ...?
17 Jan 2010 09:42:08 < djanatyn> ssh on a phone in creepy.
17 Jan 2010 09:42:41 < djanatyn-fonxa> Yes.
17 Jan 2010 09:45:56 < djanatyn-fonxa> mi prami loi carvi
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17 Jan 2010 10:51:26 < Hugglesworth> cerni
17 Jan 2010 10:51:49 < codrus> cerni
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17 Jan 2010 10:57:58 < timonator> cevni
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17 Jan 2010 11:58:48 < dbrock_> .i cipra
17 Jan 2010 11:58:57 < dbrock_> .i xu ma zvati
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17 Jan 2010 12:52:35 < donri> toki o jan Sonja
17 Jan 2010 12:53:53 < Sonjaaa> :)
17 Jan 2010 12:56:37 < donri> a a a
17 Jan 2010 13:01:07 < Sonjaaa> do fenki
17 Jan 2010 13:04:46 < Sonjaaa> toki pona li seme lon toki Losupan? nimi li xambau anu seme?
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17 Jan 2010 13:12:18 < Sonjaaa> http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/
17 Jan 2010 13:13:12 < Hugglesworth> o_0
17 Jan 2010 13:13:17 < donri> i'e
17 Jan 2010 13:13:27 < Hugglesworth> i'esai
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17 Jan 2010 13:20:37 < Sonjaaa> is Toki Pona called xambau in Lojban?
17 Jan 2010 13:21:34 < donri> i don't know that we have an established word
17 Jan 2010 13:21:55 < sam_tceipyn_> coi sonjaaa
17 Jan 2010 13:22:16 < sam_tceipyn_> si Sonjaaa
17 Jan 2010 13:22:18 < donri> to use xamgu though seems a little unlojbanic
17 Jan 2010 13:22:43 < Sonjaaa> glibau is english, and lojbau is lojban ?
17 Jan 2010 13:22:53 < Sonjaaa> what is esperanto called?
17 Jan 2010 13:22:54 < donri> jbobau
17 Jan 2010 13:23:08 < donri> pa'arbau i recall, although not very lojbanic either
17 Jan 2010 13:23:23 < Hugglesworth> xambau seems as good as any
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17 Jan 2010 13:23:49 < donri> ¿xamgu ma ma?
17 Jan 2010 13:25:03 < donri> perhaps cmabau, more comparably measurable
17 Jan 2010 13:25:48 < donri> yep, welcome to lojban: we're boringly aspergerly vulcanlike logical.
17 Jan 2010 13:26:05 < Sonjaaa> cma?
17 Jan 2010 13:26:10 < donri> small, minimal
17 Jan 2010 13:26:49 < donri> arguably though cmabau could be a language family, like lojbau "logical language" rather than only and specifically lojban
17 Jan 2010 13:27:51 < donri> to'ikpona seems to be a valid fu'ivla
17 Jan 2010 13:28:44 < donri> also, "Losupan" is *totally* cute.
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17 Jan 2010 13:28:55 < donri> saluton Vesperto
17 Jan 2010 13:29:16 < Vesperto> Sal' donri
17 Jan 2010 13:29:22 < Sonjaaa> Kiel vi, Vesperto?
17 Jan 2010 13:29:55 < Vesperto> Bone Sonjaaa, dankon. Cxu lojxbanistoj ne kontrauxas krokodiladon?
17 Jan 2010 13:30:03 < Vesperto> Kiel fartas vi ambaux?
17 Jan 2010 13:30:24 < Sonjaaa> Loĵbanistoj sekrete envias Esperanton. Paroli en Esperanto kaj en Tokipona sekse ekcitas ilin.
17 Jan 2010 13:30:43 < Vesperto> Ah bone do.
17 Jan 2010 13:31:03 < Vesperto> Bedauxrinde malgraux emon havi, tempo amnkas al mi por eklerni lojxbanon nun :\
17 Jan 2010 13:31:55 < Sonjaaa> Vi povas ŝajnigi.
17 Jan 2010 13:32:11 < Vesperto> Mi tamen preferas lerni :)
17 Jan 2010 13:32:15 < lericson> äre svenska på G eller
17 Jan 2010 13:32:18 < Sonjaaa> diru "coi" multe
17 Jan 2010 13:32:23 < Vesperto> :D
17 Jan 2010 13:32:55 <@Broca> ko tavla fi la lojban gi'a tavla fo la lojban
17 Jan 2010 13:33:41 < Sonjaaa> May I use a bilabial trill for the Lojban r?
17 Jan 2010 13:33:49 < Sonjaaa> it's any rhotic sound, right?
17 Jan 2010 13:33:53 < Sonjaaa> no preference for a certain one?
17 Jan 2010 13:34:04 < treed> Is bilabial really rhotic?
17 Jan 2010 13:34:16 < Sonjaaa> if it's trilled?
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17 Jan 2010 13:34:28 < lericson> How does that sound?
17 Jan 2010 13:34:35 < treed> he bilabial trill, however, is not considered a rhotic.
17 Jan 2010 13:34:38 < treed> --wikipedia
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17 Jan 2010 13:34:47 < Sonjaaa> {{citation needed}}
17 Jan 2010 13:34:47 < treed> which, admittedly, is not very authoritative
17 Jan 2010 13:35:32 < Sonjaaa> "being r-like" is a strangely elusive feature
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17 Jan 2010 13:35:54 < cmacis> coi rodo
17 Jan 2010 13:36:36 < donri> ui coi djeims mo
17 Jan 2010 13:37:47 < treed> A trill is a consonantal sound produced by vibrations between the articulator and the place of
17 Jan 2010 13:37:50 < treed> articulation. Three trills are at present recognized by the IPA. (Two are rhotic. All are non-
17 Jan 2010 13:37:53 < treed> lateral.)
17 Jan 2010 13:37:58 < treed> http://www1.pu.edu.tw/~jason/Undergraduate_Phonetics&Phonology_98_Notes_V.pdf
17 Jan 2010 13:38:31 < treed> It doesn't specify which two are rhotic, but it'd be hard to argue that alveolar trill or uvular trill are not.
17 Jan 2010 13:38:51 < treed> I don't think I'd interpret bilabial trill as an R.
17 Jan 2010 13:38:58 < treed> I'd probably think it was a B with a speech impediment.
17 Jan 2010 13:39:59 < treed> or a P
17 Jan 2010 13:40:03 < treed> depending
17 Jan 2010 13:40:12 < Sonjaaa> closer to b
17 Jan 2010 13:41:16 < Vesperto> Fascinating.
17 Jan 2010 13:43:10 < treed> Maybe if I heard it enough in places where only an R would make sense, I'd adapt to an accent.
17 Jan 2010 13:43:30 < treed> xbuti wouldn't make much sense, for instance
17 Jan 2010 13:43:41 < treed> But it might take a while.
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17 Jan 2010 14:26:21 < djanatyn> I finally got enough money to guarantee me a pet and enough food for a while, but...*sigh* It's too dark out to make the 8 mile bike ride.
17 Jan 2010 14:26:27 < djanatyn> Oh. lojban.
17 Jan 2010 14:26:32 < djanatyn> ...coi rodo ;0
17 Jan 2010 14:27:02 < Hugglesworth> coi
17 Jan 2010 14:27:10 < timonator> do nelci lo mlatu ji lo gerku ji lo drata
17 Jan 2010 14:27:25 < djanatyn> .ue .ienaicai
17 Jan 2010 14:27:32  * djanatyn has NOWHERE NEAR that much money
17 Jan 2010 14:27:42 < djanatyn> -->#jbopre because I can't speak the lojban gud.
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17 Jan 2010 15:10:40 < CodeBlock> coi rodo
17 Jan 2010 15:15:27 < timonator> coi kodblok
17 Jan 2010 15:17:08 < CodeBlock> timonator: question, what does t1=j1 or c1=r1 or whatever mean in lojban definitions. I know what x1 is but what are the others?
17 Jan 2010 15:17:48 < Twey> The letter indicates the gismu whose place is used for this place in the lujvo
17 Jan 2010 15:18:10 < Twey> c1=r1 means that the place fills both the first place of ‘c’ and the first place of ‘r’
17 Jan 2010 15:19:42 < CodeBlock> ah
17 Jan 2010 15:19:47 < CodeBlock> je'e/gotcha
17 Jan 2010 15:21:38 < lericson> ki'a zo ki'a
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17 Jan 2010 16:07:31 < krici> coi rodo
17 Jan 2010 16:08:47 < cmacis> coi krici
17 Jan 2010 16:09:17 < timonator> coi re do
17 Jan 2010 16:11:47 < CodeBlock> coi
17 Jan 2010 16:12:42 < cmacis> co'o rodo mi sipna
17 Jan 2010 16:12:56 < krici> co'o cmacis.
17 Jan 2010 16:14:25 < krici> le la lindar. larlermorna cu cinri mi
17 Jan 2010 16:15:02 < timonator> co'o rodo
17 Jan 2010 16:15:14 < Twey> ri'a ma doi la krici
17 Jan 2010 16:15:17 < Twey> co'o .timos.
17 Jan 2010 16:16:33 < timonator> yyy
17 Jan 2010 16:16:42 < timonator> mi jdice lo du'u mi na cliva
17 Jan 2010 16:16:44 < timonator> coi rodo
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17 Jan 2010 16:17:17 < Twey> .u'i
17 Jan 2010 16:17:21 < krici> mi nelci le la .eli,yn. snile'u ciste
17 Jan 2010 16:17:36 < CodeBlock> .u'i coi timos
17 Jan 2010 16:17:39 < Twey> .ua .ie
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17 Jan 2010 16:17:50 < Twey> ja'a cinri .i ku'i no'e lojbo
17 Jan 2010 16:19:30 < krici> ku'i mi zanfri
17 Jan 2010 16:21:56 < krici> lenu zanfri cu vajni mi
17 Jan 2010 16:22:05 < Twey> mi zmadu co djica ma'i le glibau
17 Jan 2010 16:23:59 < krici> .y. ki'a .i mi cnino jbopre
17 Jan 2010 16:24:31 < krici> bau glibau pe'u
17 Jan 2010 16:24:54 < timonator> do nitcu lo sumti
17 Jan 2010 16:25:06 < timonator> lu bau lo glibau pe'u li'u se stidi mi
17 Jan 2010 16:25:57 < krici> je'e
17 Jan 2010 16:26:23 < krici> {bau lo glibau pe'u}, then.
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17 Jan 2010 16:44:17 < lis_nunyn_> I just discovered that slowdimwittedpupil.com isn't owned yet by anyone
17 Jan 2010 16:44:33 < lis_nunyn_> despite being a douglas adams referance
17 Jan 2010 16:44:39 < lis_nunyn_> ooops
17 Jan 2010 16:44:50 < lis_nunyn_> coi rodo
17 Jan 2010 16:45:57 < lis_nunyn_> that was an unfortunate way to introduce myself... that was supposed to go in a different conversation.
17 Jan 2010 16:45:58 < lis_nunyn_> oi
17 Jan 2010 16:46:10 < Twey> Hehe.
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17 Jan 2010 16:51:54 < krici> .u'i .i mi prami la dyglys. ad,m.
17 Jan 2010 16:53:12 < nalzu`egasn> go'i ra'o
17 Jan 2010 16:54:35 < nalzu`egasn> ra'unai coi rodo
17 Jan 2010 16:54:40 < lindar> Ugh... We're pretty much stagnant until we can agree on a proper translation of "window" (in sense: computer).
17 Jan 2010 16:54:49 < lindar> haaaaaalp
17 Jan 2010 16:54:59 < djanatyn> EVERYBODY MUMBLE
17 Jan 2010 16:55:03 < djanatyn> hey, it's lindar!
17 Jan 2010 16:55:03 < lindar> OMG
17 Jan 2010 16:55:05 < djanatyn> mumble!
17 Jan 2010 16:55:12 < krici> er, I thought you got that one already?
17 Jan 2010 16:55:12 < lindar> Ugh.... >_>
17 Jan 2010 16:55:17 < krici> Guess not.
17 Jan 2010 16:55:42 < djanatyn> Or at least join #jbopre.
17 Jan 2010 16:55:50 < djanatyn> We've been having a pretty serious conversation.
17 Jan 2010 16:56:06 < Twey> lindar: I think it's a vasru
17 Jan 2010 16:56:22 < lindar> Eh?
17 Jan 2010 16:56:27 < Hugglesworth> ooo vasru could be good
17 Jan 2010 16:56:53 < lindar> >______>
17 Jan 2010 16:57:24 < krici> I've liked "vasru" and "jarco" so far
17 Jan 2010 16:57:30 < lindar> We were going with jarco, but the problem with that is that (apparently) it doesn't capture the possibility of editing.
17 Jan 2010 16:57:41 -!- djanatyn is now known as djanatyn-humble
17 Jan 2010 16:57:52 < lindar> ((Ex: Deleting files, writing documents, etc.))
17 Jan 2010 16:57:54 < timonator> what about a bit of krati?
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17 Jan 2010 16:58:14 < lindar> Eh?
17 Jan 2010 16:58:16 < lindar> Nah.
17 Jan 2010 16:58:36 < Hugglesworth> what's the problem with jarco?
17 Jan 2010 16:58:51 < Twey> Well, a se jarco might be editable
17 Jan 2010 16:59:02 < Twey> It doesn't matter whether the jarco itself is
17 Jan 2010 16:59:02 < treed> a se jarco is a ckaji
17 Jan 2010 16:59:08 < lindar> Really... it's just me and djan? >_>
17 Jan 2010 16:59:08 < Twey> Ah, yeah
17 Jan 2010 16:59:10 < Twey> That's a problem
17 Jan 2010 16:59:16 < treed> and a jarco is a person or thing that demonstrates
17 Jan 2010 16:59:19 < djanatyn> YAY LINDAR
17 Jan 2010 16:59:28 < Twey> Yeah.  Scratch jarco, then.
17 Jan 2010 16:59:44 < lindar> Not demonstrates. You're reading the gloss oddly.
17 Jan 2010 16:59:46 < lindar> It's a shower.
17 Jan 2010 16:59:46 < treed> jvinu?
17 Jan 2010 16:59:51 < lindar> show-er
17 Jan 2010 17:00:02 < treed>                     x1 (agent)
17 Jan 2010 17:00:02 < treed>                     shows/exhibits/displays/[reveals]/demonstrates x2
17 Jan 2010 17:00:02 < treed>                     (property) to audience x3
17 Jan 2010 17:00:02 < Hugglesworth> how does jarco not cover everything a GUI does?
17 Jan 2010 17:00:07 < treed> I never read glosses.
17 Jan 2010 17:00:09 < djanatyn> Umm. What?
17 Jan 2010 17:00:19 < treed> I read *whole* *fucking* definitions, because that's how you know what the word *means*.
17 Jan 2010 17:00:22 < djanatyn> lindar WAIT
17 Jan 2010 17:00:44 < treed> the x2 of jarco is a property
17 Jan 2010 17:00:49 < treed> this is important to remember
17 Jan 2010 17:00:51 < Hugglesworth> I still like vasru the best though
17 Jan 2010 17:01:08 < lindar> Yeah, except that it doesn't hold anything.
17 Jan 2010 17:01:13 < lindar> That's a stupid idea. You're stupid.
17 Jan 2010 17:01:25  * Hugglesworth pimpslaps lindar
17 Jan 2010 17:01:38 < lindar> bah
17 Jan 2010 17:01:40 < treed> I think jvinu captures it pretty well
17 Jan 2010 17:01:52 < Hugglesworth> a window contains elements/info/displays
17 Jan 2010 17:01:53 < treed> Especially when you consider GUI as a scene graph.
17 Jan 2010 17:02:09 < lindar> That's a view, not a viewer.
17 Jan 2010 17:02:17 < treed> Uh, yeah.
17 Jan 2010 17:02:17 < Twey> Yes
17 Jan 2010 17:02:21 < treed> *You're* the viewer.
17 Jan 2010 17:02:32 < treed> do viska le vjinu
17 Jan 2010 17:02:40 < lindar> Huh... You know.... it almost makes sense.
17 Jan 2010 17:02:41 < nalzu`egasn> is three syllables too many?
17 Jan 2010 17:02:49 < Twey> nalzu`egasn: For what?
17 Jan 2010 17:02:53 < treed> jvinu even
17 Jan 2010 17:02:57 < Twey> ‘Window’?  Seems reasonable to me.
17 Jan 2010 17:03:06 < nalzu`egasn> crap, no, I've got 4
17 Jan 2010 17:03:08 < nalzu`egasn> ja'orgreku
17 Jan 2010 17:03:28 < treed> exhibition frame?
17 Jan 2010 17:03:41 < treed> I still think jarco is not what you want here.
17 Jan 2010 17:03:44 < lindar> kurji'u ?
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17 Jan 2010 17:03:46 < nalzu`egasn> display frame
17 Jan 2010 17:03:51 < treed> I have a window here.
17 Jan 2010 17:03:52 < treed> A terminal
17 Jan 2010 17:03:54 < treed> jarco ma
17 Jan 2010 17:04:17 < treed> why kurfa?
17 Jan 2010 17:04:32 < treed> Windows aren't always necessarily square.
17 Jan 2010 17:04:40 < lindar> Yeah, rectangle, whatever.
17 Jan 2010 17:04:45 < treed> Most of them have rounded corners these days.
17 Jan 2010 17:04:57 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:05:02 < lindar> It's still a bloody rectangle.
17 Jan 2010 17:05:12 < treed> Not really.
17 Jan 2010 17:05:22 < treed> It's overly specific.
17 Jan 2010 17:05:24 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:05:38 < treed> Some windows (most, even) could probably be reasonably described as rectangular
17 Jan 2010 17:05:41 < treed> But they aren't all.
17 Jan 2010 17:05:53 < lindar> Name ONE window that's ovoid.
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17 Jan 2010 17:06:29  * lindar is disappointed that nobody else wanted to get on Mumble.
17 Jan 2010 17:06:30 < krici> The one in my attic. BADUM KSH
17 Jan 2010 17:06:45 < treed> http://www.theskinsfactory.com/tsf-temp/AlienwareInvaderWinampPromo.jpg
17 Jan 2010 17:06:50 < krici> Couldn't resist.
17 Jan 2010 17:07:05 < treed> A lot of winamp themes have weird shapes.
17 Jan 2010 17:07:33 < lindar> ...yeah, and would you call those windows, or would you call them playlists, control panels, and so on?
17 Jan 2010 17:07:34 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:07:36 < lindar> Whatever.
17 Jan 2010 17:07:42 < treed> I'd call it a fucking window.
17 Jan 2010 17:07:48 < lindar> jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:07:49 < treed> This window is the control panel.
17 Jan 2010 17:08:09 < lindar> Post your suggestion, then.
17 Jan 2010 17:08:11 < datka> I used to use the circle theme for windows media player
17 Jan 2010 17:08:29 < treed> jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:08:37 < treed> By itself.
17 Jan 2010 17:08:38 < krici> rekji'u
17 Jan 2010 17:08:44 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:08:51 < nalzu`egasn> I think that greku is what the window is actually for
17 Jan 2010 17:09:06 < treed> Ehhh.
17 Jan 2010 17:09:11 < krici> {rekyji'u}, sorry. Either way, if "view" is too broad...
17 Jan 2010 17:09:21 < treed> I really don't think that it's too broad.
17 Jan 2010 17:09:34 < krici> Well, would would a desktop be?
17 Jan 2010 17:09:34 < nalzu`egasn> The point of the window is to give a shape to the display, otherwise we wouldn't have them
17 Jan 2010 17:09:35 < treed> I think that all of these other suggestions are too narrow.
17 Jan 2010 17:09:54 < nalzu`egasn> I really think that greku should be it by itself, or as the tertau of something
17 Jan 2010 17:09:56 < treed> roljvinu?
17 Jan 2010 17:10:06 < treed> nalzu`egasn: That is not true at all.
17 Jan 2010 17:10:12 < treed> Do you even program?
17 Jan 2010 17:10:28 < treed> In the Windows API, *everything* is technically a Window.
17 Jan 2010 17:10:35 < treed> there is a top level window
17 Jan 2010 17:10:36 < treed> it has children
17 Jan 2010 17:10:39 < treed> that are windows
17 Jan 2010 17:10:44 < treed> there are buttons in that window
17 Jan 2010 17:10:46 < treed> they're windows too
17 Jan 2010 17:10:49 < treed> It's a scene graph.
17 Jan 2010 17:10:59 < treed> They all have window handles.
17 Jan 2010 17:11:06 < nalzu`egasn> yes, but there's a reason we use the window metaphor
17 Jan 2010 17:11:06 < treed> And are positioned relatively to their parent.
17 Jan 2010 17:11:07 < krici> I do like roljvinu, actually. :P
17 Jan 2010 17:11:20 < krici> for desktop, that is
17 Jan 2010 17:11:22 < nalzu`egasn> it's because of the visual appearance, and has nothing to do with the program details
17 Jan 2010 17:11:31 < treed> I'd explain roljvinu as the top of the scene graph.
17 Jan 2010 17:11:37 < treed> Or the entirety of it.
17 Jan 2010 17:11:47 < lindar> ....so.... desktop?
17 Jan 2010 17:11:51 < Hugglesworth> why roljvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:11:57 < treed> all-view
17 Jan 2010 17:12:13 < treed> Or when you say desktop do you mean the area with the background specifically?
17 Jan 2010 17:12:19 < treed> Not the entirety of what's on screen?
17 Jan 2010 17:12:36 < krici> I was thinking the entirety of what's on the screen. Dunno about others.
17 Jan 2010 17:12:37 < nalzu`egasn> also, I don't get the relevance of what you are saying, treed
17 Jan 2010 17:12:39 < Hugglesworth> desktop = root window
17 Jan 2010 17:13:00 < krici> I'm pretty bad with some computer lingo, so I might've picked the wrong word.
17 Jan 2010 17:13:04 < lindar> raljvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:13:04 < treed> trixe jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:13:10 < Hugglesworth> it's a fullscreen window that's always on the bottom
17 Jan 2010 17:13:24 < nalzu`egasn> no, I meant with regard to not liking greku
17 Jan 2010 17:13:39 < treed> I'd say raljvinu for the main program window or something
17 Jan 2010 17:13:40 < Hugglesworth> raljvinu I like
17 Jan 2010 17:13:50 < treed> nalzu`egasn: You say that the "purpose" of a window is to give it shape.
17 Jan 2010 17:13:51 < lindar> Not for the desktop?
17 Jan 2010 17:13:52 < treed> It's really not.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:12 < treed> The purpose of a window is to provide a parent for positioning of child windows relative to its own space.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:15 < treed> That's it.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:17 < krici> nalzu: I understand the idea of a framed view, but I don't think the metaphor was direct when made in English. It was an over-simplification to give some familiarity in terms.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:43 < treed> lindar: Because there's nothing principle about the desktop
17 Jan 2010 17:14:47 < treed> Most of the time, I don't even see it.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:52 < nalzu`egasn> greku can refer to a wireframe, an outline, or anything that sets out the basic shape of something
17 Jan 2010 17:14:52 < treed> It's something pretty in the background.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:53 < lindar> Ah.
17 Jan 2010 17:14:55 < krici> What do other languages use for computer "window"?
17 Jan 2010 17:15:00 < Hugglesworth> main program window is A root window, but the desktop is THE root window
17 Jan 2010 17:15:16 < treed> Hugglesworth: Not in the sence lindar means.
17 Jan 2010 17:15:25 < treed> The "shit drawn on the background" is no more root than anything.
17 Jan 2010 17:15:30 < lindar> rixyjvinu?
17 Jan 2010 17:16:08 < nalzu`egasn> I thought it was appropriate because windows specify the locations and relative positions of the various gui components
17 Jan 2010 17:16:22 < treed> It doesn't actually.
17 Jan 2010 17:16:25 < treed> they specify themselves
17 Jan 2010 17:16:28 < treed> relative to the parent window
17 Jan 2010 17:16:29 < Hugglesworth> rixyjvinu might be better for non-programmers/X coders
17 Jan 2010 17:16:32 < lindar> vinjbu . . . it's where the viewers are put down. =P
17 Jan 2010 17:16:42 < djanatyn> Oh, helping time!
17 Jan 2010 17:16:50  * djanatyn ruins the whole project
17 Jan 2010 17:16:56 < Hugglesworth> s/x coders/non-x coders
17 Jan 2010 17:17:01 < nalzu`egasn> treed: that's not material to what I was saying
17 Jan 2010 17:17:18 < treed> I just think you're being overly specific in a way that's not needed.
17 Jan 2010 17:17:33 < treed> jvinu works almost exactly like the programming sense of window
17 Jan 2010 17:17:41 < lindar> Well, have we agreed on jvinu?
17 Jan 2010 17:18:03 < treed> this is a jvinu of a jvinu of the title bar, and a jvinu of the window contents, which is a jvinu of ...
17 Jan 2010 17:18:21 < Hugglesworth> I'm cool with jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:18:28 < treed> Older programs also used to have a "View" menu instead of a "Window" menu, IIRC
17 Jan 2010 17:18:41 < nalzu`egasn> I don't find the jvinu of a jvinu to be entirely clear in the lojbanic sense
17 Jan 2010 17:18:45 < lindar> treed, this is your baby, can you make the post giving the reasons why this makes sense? Cos if we actually care about the opinions of the other people working on this, you still have to win over omologos and xorxes.
17 Jan 2010 17:18:47 < krici> mi nelci zo jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:19:06 < treed> What post and where? I'm just telling you guys why you're wrong and what's better.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:11 < treed> I didn't join any project.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:18 < treed> That's mostly my role now in lojbanistan.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:21 < lindar> nalzu`egasn, yeah, we're not sticking sam- on the front of it. Go die.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:21 < lindar> You have now. =P
17 Jan 2010 17:19:28 < treed> I'm the crusty old fart who sits in the corner and tell you why everything you do is wrong.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:29 < lindar> http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/
17 Jan 2010 17:19:40 < lindar> JOIN IT
17 Jan 2010 17:19:46 < treed> Also I need to go grocery shopping.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:49 < lindar> It's the translation team.
17 Jan 2010 17:19:53 < lindar> Oh geez, you and food.
17 Jan 2010 17:20:27 < lindar> Fine, I'll just copy the log.
17 Jan 2010 17:20:27 < nalzu`egasn> lindar: whaaaa?
17 Jan 2010 17:20:28 < treed> oh, and dinner
17 Jan 2010 17:20:29 < treed> that too
17 Jan 2010 17:26:52 < lindar> Posted.
17 Jan 2010 17:28:59 < Hugglesworth> \o/
17 Jan 2010 17:29:10 < lindar> Yay!
17 Jan 2010 17:29:14 < Hugglesworth> do we have a list of decided words so far?
17 Jan 2010 17:29:24 < lindar> We haven't decided on any words yet.
17 Jan 2010 17:29:36 < lindar> jvinu is the first one we've -maybe- got done.
17 Jan 2010 17:29:44 < krici> lindar: is the group planning on using experimental gismu, ie "kibro" (kibypapri is a big one)
17 Jan 2010 17:29:55 < krici> *?
17 Jan 2010 17:30:10 < lindar> On the jbofanva list we have a bunch of -theoretical- words, but I think 99% of them are going to be tossed out.
17 Jan 2010 17:30:13 < Hugglesworth> lo kibro cu mo
17 Jan 2010 17:30:35 < lindar> ...and I don't know, because that's about as dried out as sam- in forming lujvo.
17 Jan 2010 17:31:02 < lindar> I don't think it's necessary to use that at any point.
17 Jan 2010 17:31:05 < krici> x1 pertains to the internet/cyberspace in aspect x2
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17 Jan 2010 17:31:36 < lindar> la .internet.
17 Jan 2010 17:31:42 < lindar> It -is- a proper noun, after all.
17 Jan 2010 17:31:57 < krici> other than that, for internet there is "la .internet." or "mujysamseltcana"
17 Jan 2010 17:32:06 < lindar> mujy?
17 Jan 2010 17:32:17 < lindar> That's a bit egotistical.
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17 Jan 2010 17:32:33 < krici> (eh, I just copy-pasted from jbovlaste)
17 Jan 2010 17:32:58 < lindar> Somebody needs to go through jbovlaste and boot out all the old shitty words that don't make any sense.
17 Jan 2010 17:33:29 < krici> Though I don't love experimental gismu, I prefer "le kibypapri" over "le papri pe la .internet."
17 Jan 2010 17:34:12 < lindar> We haven't decided on that particular gloss yet, so chill out.
17 Jan 2010 17:34:22 < lindar> I personally do not like kibypapri one single bit.
17 Jan 2010 17:34:30 < lindar> It's lazy and a very stupid metaphor.
17 Jan 2010 17:34:31 < krici> Well, I know. I'm just wondering what your view is on experimental gismu
17 Jan 2010 17:35:03 < krici> Internet-pertaining type-of page? I think it at least makes clear sense.
17 Jan 2010 17:35:22 < lindar> I don't mind experimental anything (hell, look at how many times I use la'oi/zo'oi), but making everything kib-/sam- for computers is really annoying and sad.
17 Jan 2010 17:35:34 < lindar> In so far that you're still thinking in English terms.
17 Jan 2010 17:36:29 < krici> Well, that's true. But which is the lesser evil: kib-/sam- everything or "OMGZ U GUIZ THIS IS NOT LOJBANIC BLAH BLAH BLAH"?
17 Jan 2010 17:37:09 < lindar> >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:37:21 < lindar> I'd rather bitch about it until we get it right than take the shortcut.
17 Jan 2010 17:37:40 < lindar> ...but hey, maybe it's just because I love Mother Lojbanistan more than you.
17 Jan 2010 17:37:52 < krici> Perhaps.
17 Jan 2010 17:37:59 < nalzu`egasn> lol
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17 Jan 2010 17:38:21 < Hugglesworth> o/ heil lojbanistan
17 Jan 2010 17:38:25 < krici> Because when it comes down to it, I don't think I'm semantically anal enough to be a Lojbanist. xD
17 Jan 2010 17:40:21 < lindar> Well, don't worry! I'll do all the work for you!
17 Jan 2010 17:40:23 < nalzu`egasn> so, are we still looking for a translation of webpage?
17 Jan 2010 17:40:36 < nalzu`egasn> (/website)?
17 Jan 2010 17:40:37 < lindar> What? Who said we were looking for a translation of a webpage?
17 Jan 2010 17:40:41 < nalzu`egasn> I dunno
17 Jan 2010 17:40:46 < nalzu`egasn> maybe I made that up
17 Jan 2010 17:40:50 < lindar> You did.
17 Jan 2010 17:40:51 < Hugglesworth> linux WM translation
17 Jan 2010 17:41:04 < Hugglesworth> Gnome first to be specific
17 Jan 2010 17:41:05 < lindar> We're talking about translating Gnome.
17 Jan 2010 17:41:12 < nalzu`egasn> sorry
17 Jan 2010 17:41:16 < nalzu`egasn> I meant
17 Jan 2010 17:41:19 < nalzu`egasn> "webpage"
17 Jan 2010 17:41:24 < lindar> ....
17 Jan 2010 17:41:29 < nalzu`egasn> which is not a word but a phrase
17 Jan 2010 17:41:33 < nalzu`egasn> (I'm tired right now)
17 Jan 2010 17:41:36 < lindar> We're not translating a webpage.
17 Jan 2010 17:41:45 < lindar> We're talking about translating Gnome. >_>
17 Jan 2010 17:41:48 < nalzu`egasn> no, I meant zo webpage
17 Jan 2010 17:41:49 < krici> zo webpage, not lo webpage
17 Jan 2010 17:42:13 < krici> (great minds think alike)
17 Jan 2010 17:42:18 < nalzu`egasn> indeed
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17 Jan 2010 17:43:00 < lindar> omologos!
17 Jan 2010 17:43:09 < omologos> now that's more reasonable
17 Jan 2010 17:43:17 < omologos> u'u mi pu na mrilu
17 Jan 2010 17:43:36 < lindar> We decided without you and xorxes to translate "window" to jvinu.
17 Jan 2010 17:43:45 < omologos> doi lindar mi ba gunka lodo nu fanva ca bavlamdei
17 Jan 2010 17:43:46 < nalzu`egasn> coi .omologos.
17 Jan 2010 17:43:55 < lindar> ((It's because secretly we're all racist and wanted to disclude the two hispanic guys.))
17 Jan 2010 17:44:23 < omologos> it's no longer a screet then ;)
17 Jan 2010 17:44:30 < omologos> *secret
17 Jan 2010 17:44:43 < lindar> What do you think of jvinu?
17 Jan 2010 17:44:51 < omologos> i like it
17 Jan 2010 17:44:58 < omologos> it's certainly better than canko
17 Jan 2010 17:45:02 < lindar> Awesome.
17 Jan 2010 17:45:25 < omologos> but what about minimize and maximize and close
17 Jan 2010 17:45:28 < omologos> and open
17 Jan 2010 17:45:34 < omologos> ?
17 Jan 2010 17:45:44 < lindar> We don't yet have those terms.
17 Jan 2010 17:45:48 < lindar> Sowwy.
17 Jan 2010 17:46:07 < lindar> Suggest something.
17 Jan 2010 17:46:31 < omologos> i'll give it some thought
17 Jan 2010 17:46:42 < omologos> they were pretty straightforward with canko
17 Jan 2010 17:46:45 < omologos> but now...
17 Jan 2010 17:46:52 < omologos> well, at leas close open were
17 Jan 2010 17:47:16 < omologos> and how is gnome's aproval going
17 Jan 2010 17:47:23 < omologos> have you got any response?
17 Jan 2010 17:47:51 < lindar> Approval? No, I know my e-mail went to the list, but I have yet to hear back, and I have yet to see Lojban added to the language list.
17 Jan 2010 17:48:11 < omologos> what list? url?
17 Jan 2010 17:48:34 < lindar> The i18n list.
17 Jan 2010 17:48:46 < lindar> It was the one that the tutorial told me to e-mail.
17 Jan 2010 17:49:26 < lindar> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/StartingATeam/
17 Jan 2010 17:49:31 < lindar> I haven't heard back yet.
17 Jan 2010 17:49:51 < nalzu`egasn> krasi/sisti for open and close?
17 Jan 2010 17:50:22 < lindar> Uhhh... what?
17 Jan 2010 17:50:23 < nalzu`egasn> eh, krasi maybe not so much
17 Jan 2010 17:50:27 < lindar> How would you use those in a sentence?
17 Jan 2010 17:50:34 < omologos> lindar: it would be nice if you documented this process in jbofanva
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17 Jan 2010 17:50:48 < lindar> This process?
17 Jan 2010 17:51:24 < omologos> yes, the process of gnome having an official lojban translation
17 Jan 2010 17:52:00 < lindar> They -don't- have an official translation. When I get the approval e-mail I'll put the details about what we're doing, but for now I'm just trying to get us off the ground.
17 Jan 2010 17:52:09 < lindar> There's no fucking way we could ever start translating right now.
17 Jan 2010 17:52:31 < omologos> nalzu`egasn: sisti seems fine
17 Jan 2010 17:52:39 < omologos> ah, ok
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17 Jan 2010 17:53:48 < lindar> However, I dislike both terms that were just suggested as I have no idea how they'd be used in a sentence.
17 Jan 2010 17:54:35 < lindar> How would you say "ko [close] le jvinu"?
17 Jan 2010 17:54:42 < lindar> ...or open?
17 Jan 2010 17:54:47 < nalzu`egasn> ko sisti le jvinu
17 Jan 2010 17:55:06 < lindar> Halt the view?
17 Jan 2010 17:55:17 < lindar> I get that you hate Oprah, but we're trying to do work here.
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17 Jan 2010 17:56:18 < lindar> livygau / klagau seem much better to me.
17 Jan 2010 17:57:45 < lindar> sisti seems like something more appropriate for a process.
17 Jan 2010 17:57:46 < nalzu`egasn> cfagau/famgau would be another possibility
17 Jan 2010 17:57:52 < nalzu`egasn> you're right
17 Jan 2010 17:58:31 < nalzu`egasn> If you could add on a completive that might sorta do it for sisti, but even that seems wrong (you're done halting it?)
17 Jan 2010 17:59:12 < lindar> cfagau seems appropriate for opening a programme, but not for opening a file.
17 Jan 2010 17:59:25 < nalzu`egasn> That's what I was going to ask actually
17 Jan 2010 17:59:34 < lindar> fanmo isn't really right, that sounds like ending vs halting a process.
17 Jan 2010 17:59:36 < nalzu`egasn> are those linked necessarily?
17 Jan 2010 17:59:44 < lindar> linked?
17 Jan 2010 18:00:14 < nalzu`egasn> specifically, opening/closing program and opening/closing a file?
17 Jan 2010 18:00:24 < lindar> In Gnome? I have no idea.
17 Jan 2010 18:00:54 < lindar> The terminology, I'm not so sure, because you always open a file, but you sometimes start a programme.
17 Jan 2010 18:01:05 < nalzu`egasn> that's what I was thinking
17 Jan 2010 18:02:19 < lindar> http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/ Go post it in the terminology thread, then!
17 Jan 2010 18:02:32 < lindar> Put down your suggestions. That's why it's there in the first place.
17 Jan 2010 18:18:41  * lindar doesn't see a post.
17 Jan 2010 18:19:51 < nalzu`egasn> I'm being slow
17 Jan 2010 18:19:56 < nalzu`egasn> I had a few words
17 Jan 2010 18:19:59 < nalzu`egasn> and got distracted
17 Jan 2010 18:20:03 < nalzu`egasn> and I'm cooking
17 Jan 2010 18:20:13 < nalzu`egasn> There =P
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17 Jan 2010 19:12:04 < CodeBlock> hm. I want to learn how to speak Test Language: http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/export/xml-export.html?lang=test
17 Jan 2010 19:12:08 < CodeBlock> it looks fun =P
17 Jan 2010 19:15:06 < CodeBlock> coi by the way :P
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17 Jan 2010 20:13:50 < krici> Can the x1 of {krasi} be a date if it is said to be a "site/event"?
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17 Jan 2010 20:26:03 < CodeBlock> dbrock: poke ;)
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17 Jan 2010 20:34:25 < krici> Uhg. Maybe I'm completely malforming my bridi. What selbri would you use for "I've done this SINCE [date]" ?
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18 Jan 2010 00:20:32 < lindar> -_-
18 Jan 2010 00:20:32 < lindar> Me.
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18 Jan 2010 00:30:24 < lindar> Yaaaaaaaaay....
18 Jan 2010 00:32:55 < lindar> Nobody is here? >_>
18 Jan 2010 00:38:40  * notsarah- is here!
18 Jan 2010 00:39:18 < lindar> Hiiiiii there.
18 Jan 2010 00:39:58 < notsarah-> coi lindar .ui
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18 Jan 2010 00:42:17 < lindar> yep, I'm done. 4 hour band practice...
18 Jan 2010 00:42:19 < lindar> g'night
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18 Jan 2010 01:26:39 < cizra> Notsarah?
18 Jan 2010 01:26:40 < cizra> hmmm.
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18 Jan 2010 01:43:24 < notsarah-> cizra, that would be me
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18 Jan 2010 01:56:35 < cizra> I just wonder.
18 Jan 2010 01:56:43 < cizra> Why wouldn't anyone want to be a sarah?
18 Jan 2010 01:57:24 < notsarah-> why wouldn't a sarah want to be anyone?
18 Jan 2010 01:57:26 < lericson> Why wouldn't nobody not want to avoid not being called Sarah?
18 Jan 2010 02:00:18 < mathw> coi
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