19 Jan 2010 02:20:57 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 02:21:01 < lindar> Nothing, I guess.
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19 Jan 2010 02:23:14 < lindar> Why is it always so dead when I come in here? -_-
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19 Jan 2010 02:26:41 <@Broca> Because we hate you.
19 Jan 2010 02:27:09 <@Broca> No, seriously. The reason we're not as active is that in Europe people are working, and on the U.S. west coast, people are sleeping.
19 Jan 2010 02:27:35 < harblcat> or should be..
19 Jan 2010 02:27:50 < mathw> mi gunka
19 Jan 2010 02:37:46 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 02:38:00 < lindar> Woah, harblcat, I haven't seen you around in a while.
19 Jan 2010 02:38:25 < harblcat> I've been busy with work. Seven days a week kinda sucks!
19 Jan 2010 02:40:22 < mathw> Yeah
19 Jan 2010 02:40:23 < mathw> Ouch
19 Jan 2010 02:47:13 < lindar> Geez.
19 Jan 2010 02:47:23 < lindar> Well, I need to figure out exactly how to work with .po files.
19 Jan 2010 02:47:40 < lindar> Once I submit the first .po file, we get our team/language recognised!
19 Jan 2010 02:48:02 < harblcat> .po? What language is that?
19 Jan 2010 02:48:18 <@Broca> That's not a language, that's a format.
19 Jan 2010 02:48:43 < harblcat> well, I meant what language is that format used for?
19 Jan 2010 02:48:48 < lericson> Translations.
19 Jan 2010 02:48:52 < lericson> gettext translations, uncompiled.
19 Jan 2010 02:48:59 < harblcat> I see
19 Jan 2010 02:49:29 < lericson> lindar: Just find msgid sections without a msgstr, or with #: fuzzy.
19 Jan 2010 02:50:09 < lindar> Blah, there's a bunch of extra data that I don't know how to fill out, so I'm just going to follow the tutorial.
19 Jan 2010 02:50:14 < lericson> Sorry, #, fuzzy
19 Jan 2010 02:50:52 < lericson> Look at what other translators have written for the metadata
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19 Jan 2010 02:51:12 < lindar> Yeah, it's different in each .po file.
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19 Jan 2010 02:53:47 < lindar> I'm going to translate gnome-desktop and see how many computer terms I find. We'll start the -real- terminology war there.
19 Jan 2010 02:53:57 < lindar> ((I still hate "canko" as a metaphor.))
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19 Jan 2010 02:55:53 < lericson> canko for a window?
19 Jan 2010 02:56:08 < lericson> imo "viewport" is a better metaphor
19 Jan 2010 02:56:26 < lericson> but then again, that's a question of semantics
19 Jan 2010 02:56:27 < lindar> Everybody has their own ideas. >_>
19 Jan 2010 02:56:36 < lindar> Nobody can agree for one reason or another.
19 Jan 2010 02:57:11 <@Broca> Is “viewport” a metaphor?
19 Jan 2010 02:57:21 <@Broca> I've always thought of it as techspeak.
19 Jan 2010 02:57:52 < lericson> Well, to a certain degree it is. Nothing on a computer really is what we call it, one could argue.
19 Jan 2010 02:57:57 < lericson> At any rate, imma go eat sum lunch ->
19 Jan 2010 02:58:21 < lindar> Oh gods help me. O_o GTranslator is asking me questions.
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19 Jan 2010 02:58:31 < lindar> What "character set" do we use?
19 Jan 2010 02:58:39 < lindar> What's a transfer encoding?
19 Jan 2010 02:58:40 < lericson> UTF 8
19 Jan 2010 02:58:47 < lericson> UTF-8
19 Jan 2010 02:58:55 <@Broca> US ASCII?
19 Jan 2010 02:59:04 < lindar> >_<
19 Jan 2010 02:59:06 < lindar> Which to which?
19 Jan 2010 02:59:33 < mathw> I haven't even weighed in on the subject of {canko} yet, I have yet to organise my thoughts on the matter
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19 Jan 2010 03:00:19 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 03:00:45 < lindar> You're retarded. What's to organise? Do you think "HOLE IN THE WALL" is an appropriate metaphor for a window in a computer?
19 Jan 2010 03:01:26 <@Broca> Actually, maybe.
19 Jan 2010 03:01:54 <@Broca> It's an APERTURE in the WALL that separates YOU from your DATA
19 Jan 2010 03:02:04 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 03:02:13 <@Broca> It's not a good metaphor, but understandable nonetheless.
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19 Jan 2010 03:02:33 < lindar> It's a horrible metaphor, understandable only because it was the only thing to be used and stupid people like simple terminology.
19 Jan 2010 03:02:39 <@Broca> Also, the part of me that's a hardliner says you mustn't use metaphors AT ALL in Lojban.
19 Jan 2010 03:03:07 < mathw> "you're retarded" is such a good way to get people to help you with your project
19 Jan 2010 03:03:09 < lindar> Metaphors are okay in some instances, but I was hoping for something a little more Lojbanic.
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19 Jan 2010 03:06:28 < lindar> mathw: Yeah, and if you're going to get offended by friendly jabs, then you really are retarded. I didn't think it was something on which you had to think very hard, you know? Either you think "hole in a wall" is a good way to express what we mean or you don't. Personally I see the "window" as a physical thing, because if you move a window, the shit on the other side of it doesn't move with the window, no matter what you do. On a co
19 Jan 2010 03:06:28 < lindar> mputer, the content moves with the window, which is completely counterintuitive to the concept of a window. It's not a "window to your data" like it's all sitting there on the other side of your desktop background and a window punches a convenient hole X layers deep just enough so you can see your file.....
19 Jan 2010 03:07:31 < mathw> Friendly jabs?
19 Jan 2010 03:07:36 < mathw> You insult people continuously
19 Jan 2010 03:07:58 < lindar> You bring up a file on your Kindle to read it, that isn't a hole in the aether to see your file. I really see windows as a virtual version of what a Kindle is in meatspace, or perhaps vice-versa.
19 Jan 2010 03:09:02 < lindar> Also, that's my thing. If you think I mean it seriously, then you're wrong. We're all family here, and I don't know about you, but where I'm from and in the culture with which I grew up, one gives jabs and insults as a way of accepting another person into the collective.
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19 Jan 2010 03:09:39 < lindar> It's like a miniature roast. The Roast of mathw!
19 Jan 2010 03:09:40 < mathw> Unfortunately that falls to pieces when you're dealing with people who didn't do that
19 Jan 2010 03:10:51 < lindar> Okay, are you seriously the type of person to get offended because I'm making friendly jabs? The sarcasm is twenty layers deep. I don't actually think you're retarded, I was just ribbing on you because I thought it was silly to say that you hadn't formulated an opinion on the topic as of yet.
19 Jan 2010 03:13:28 < mathw> Yes, I did find that quite offensive
19 Jan 2010 03:14:20 < mathw> As for not forming an opinion I care to post yet, I'm not just going to wade in and join the bunfight. I don't think that would help anybody at all.
19 Jan 2010 03:14:23 < lindar> As far as I know, that's how geek society works, if not all of male society in general. It's Social Darwinism, and if you're actually going to get hurt by friendly jabs, then how can I trust you to take a serious criticism when I have one for you? I rip on EVERYBODY, and they get it. I understand that there's a medium of text involved, so you don't hear the {zo'o} after everything I say in English, but I would think that based on co
19 Jan 2010 03:14:23 < lindar> ntext from how outrageously silly/inaccurate most of my insults are that you'd be able to tell that I'm joking. I found out today one of my best mates, who is a hardcore metal and techno junky, likes Backstreet Boys. I made no end of gay jokes about him, but everybody knows that he's not gay and -I am-, which is part of the humour.
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19 Jan 2010 03:15:15 < mathw> I don't know what kind of geek society you're part of then, because mine doesn't work like that.
19 Jan 2010 03:15:47 < lindar> Your friends don't rib on each other?
19 Jan 2010 03:16:19 < mathw> Sometimes, but we don't do it to complete strangers in a medium in which there's no way to convey tone of voice
19 Jan 2010 03:17:07 < lindar> I didn't think we were complete strangers by this point. You've been around for a while now and you've involved yourself in the community, which makes you part of it, which makes us not strangers.
19 Jan 2010 03:18:07 < mathw> And yet all I know of you is that you're a musician and you swear a lot
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19 Jan 2010 03:18:31 < mathw> And your participation discourages me from paying any attention to the channel
19 Jan 2010 03:18:52 < lindar> My participation in what? The channel itself?
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19 Jan 2010 03:20:15 < mathw> Yes
19 Jan 2010 03:20:25 < lindar> I've been around for almost eight months now and you're the first to come out and say that you don't really like me. I'm sorry that I put you off, though.
19 Jan 2010 03:20:37 < lindar> Is there anything I can do to perhaps not put you off as much?
19 Jan 2010 03:22:03 < mathw> Just... tone it down a bit.
19 Jan 2010 03:22:27 < mathw> It may help that I now know that maybe you don't really mean it
19 Jan 2010 03:24:31 < lindar> Okay, I'll definitely tone it down, but now you know that when I call you a retard, I really mean to say, "Hello! Welcome to Lojbanistan, you retard!". =P ((Okay, NOW I'll tone it down. Sowwy. <3 ))
19 Jan 2010 03:24:40 < mathw> I think we may actually have a lot in common, but I've had a hard time getting past your idiom
19 Jan 2010 03:25:05 < lindar> Hey, you just griped about throwing out insults and then you call me an idiom? That's just plain rude.
19 Jan 2010 03:25:28 < lindar> >_> Yeah, I'll shut up now.
19 Jan 2010 03:25:29 < mathw> I didn't call you an idiom
19 Jan 2010 03:25:34 < mathw> sigh
19 Jan 2010 03:25:37 < lindar> idiom/idiot
19 Jan 2010 03:25:39 < lindar> It's funny.
19 Jan 2010 03:25:43 < mathw> No it's not
19 Jan 2010 03:27:05 < lindar> In the English language, one of much lower intelligence could easily mistake "...your idiom." for "...you're an idiot." because of the similarities between your/you're and idiom/idiot, especially in a written context. I admit that it was a bad joke, but that was supposed to be part of the charm.
19 Jan 2010 03:27:42 < lindar> I was trying to use humour to lighten the situation as that's the most common type of defence mechanism.
19 Jan 2010 03:29:47 < lindar> Humour is also supposed to be a mechanism for bonding. I was attempting to use a simple but charming method of humour to lighten the mood and perhaps segue into another topic.
19 Jan 2010 03:30:09 < mathw> Hey look! It's an example of why everyone should learn Lojban!
19 Jan 2010 03:30:21 < mathw> "segue" has to be one of the strangest words ever
19 Jan 2010 03:30:40 < lindar> It's actually pronounced how it would be were it a Lojban word?
19 Jan 2010 03:30:53 < mathw> Yes that's why I don't like it
19 Jan 2010 03:31:09 < lindar> Oh?
19 Jan 2010 03:31:10 < mathw> I still double-take when people say "segway into ..."
19 Jan 2010 03:31:23 < mathw> of course "seeg" sounds silly too
19 Jan 2010 03:31:28 < mathw> So I just don't use it
19 Jan 2010 03:31:46 < mathw> And of course it makes me think of those silly electric scooter things
19 Jan 2010 03:33:25 < lindar> Huh. I don't get that. More importantly, I don't understand why they named their product after a common misspelling of a word that essentially means "a gradual shift".
19 Jan 2010 03:34:54 < mathw> It certainly doesn't fit with their marketing
19 Jan 2010 03:36:23 < mathw> .i .ei mi tavla fo la lojban
19 Jan 2010 03:38:31 < lindar> .ua je'e
19 Jan 2010 03:38:32 < mathw> .i .ui la'a mi bazi sanga
19 Jan 2010 03:39:13 < lindar> .i mo sanga
19 Jan 2010 03:41:28 < lindar> brbrestart
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19 Jan 2010 03:44:31 < lindar> Yay it's me again!
19 Jan 2010 03:44:44 < lericson> LET THE FEAST OF A THOUSAND SUNS BEGIN
19 Jan 2010 03:44:46 < lindar> My screen suddenly looks a lot brighter after I rebooted for those updates!
19 Jan 2010 03:44:46 < mathw> .i lo briju zgike girzu cu rapcreze'a lo ni sagzgi .e loni zgica'a
19 Jan 2010 03:44:54 < lindar> xD
19 Jan 2010 03:45:04 < lindar> I missed you too, lericson. <3
19 Jan 2010 03:45:25 < mathw> Hmm a feast wouldn't go at all amiss
19 Jan 2010 03:45:33 < lericson> How dare you claim I'm less than three!
19 Jan 2010 03:46:24 < lindar> I WOULD CLAIM MORE!
19 Jan 2010 03:46:29 < lindar> I CLAIM YOU ARE LESS THAN TWO!
19 Jan 2010 03:47:28 < lericson> I'd say that in theory is claiming less.
19 Jan 2010 03:47:33 < lindar> To be precise, you are, in fact, one lericson.
19 Jan 2010 03:47:45 < lericson> Ah-ha, this is where you're mistaken.
19 Jan 2010 03:47:47 < lericson> We are many.
19 Jan 2010 03:47:54 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 03:48:21 < lindar> Take that average of A and C and GTFO cos I don't want none of that here. I'll beat you like Rodney King.
19 Jan 2010 03:49:03 < lindar> I mean, unless you're actually a spawn of Satan, in which case that's cool.
19 Jan 2010 03:49:03 < mathw> .i fu'inai mi sanga gi'e citka
19 Jan 2010 03:49:13  * lericson initiates the feast of a thousand suns .i de'a jundi ki'o lonu sampla
19 Jan 2010 03:49:17 < mathw> (took me far, far too long to remember {gi'e})
19 Jan 2010 03:50:25 < lindar> ...yyyyy. do sanga ca lo nu citka vau xu
19 Jan 2010 03:51:09 < mathw> na go'i .i ri bebna
19 Jan 2010 03:51:50 < mathw> does that make sense?
19 Jan 2010 03:52:39 < lericson> There's a chance I'll be randomly saying "np: <some song>" sometime soon, disregard that. (I hit a button, okay?)
19 Jan 2010 03:52:43 < lindar> I would parse that as you calling yourself bebna.
19 Jan 2010 03:53:14 < lindar>  la'edi'u  KOhA*    last utterance it                         pro-sumti: the referent of the last utterance; the state described: "IT was fun"
19 Jan 2010 03:53:41 < mathw> well {mi bebna} is true to some degree
19 Jan 2010 03:53:42 < lericson> np: A.i.d.S. - Shit Stains Spread Onto The Pages Of The Bible
19 Jan 2010 03:53:46 < mathw> but that's not what I meant :)
19 Jan 2010 03:53:56 <@Broca> lericson: http://bash.org/?5775
19 Jan 2010 03:53:58 < lindar> xD!!!!!!!!!!
19 Jan 2010 03:54:07 < mathw> .i lonu sanga gi'e citka cu bebna
19 Jan 2010 03:54:10 < mathw> is what I meant
19 Jan 2010 03:54:13 < lindar> Great song name.
19 Jan 2010 03:54:13 < lericson> Oh wow, nice choice there iTunes :<
19 Jan 2010 03:54:21 < mathw> Hmm, too long
19 Jan 2010 03:54:25 < mathw> I prefer them snappier
19 Jan 2010 03:54:42 < lericson> Broca: :-)
19 Jan 2010 03:54:46 < mathw> Although one of my favourite songs is called "The Dreadful End Of Marianne For Sorcery", so it's not a universal rule
19 Jan 2010 03:55:39 <@Broca> Also, http://bash.org/?46282
19 Jan 2010 03:56:32 < lindar> huh
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19 Jan 2010 03:57:37 < lericson> Meh, who watches porn in anything but a browser these days anyway!
19 Jan 2010 03:57:51 < mathw> people who watch it on their iphone?
19 Jan 2010 03:58:35 < lericson> Navigating an iPhone single-handedly with your off-hand is hard. Too hard.
19 Jan 2010 03:58:38 < lindar> Pffft... my phone sucks. I can't even look at dirty pictures, let alone porn videos. (It resizes them without asking me, even though it's fully capable of displaying them in their native resolution.)
19 Jan 2010 03:59:06 < lericson> It only resizes dirty pictures?
19 Jan 2010 03:59:26 < lindar> lericson: That's the advantage of being ambidextrous or at least learning to wank with your off hand. It's a LOT easier to wank off-handed than to try to wield any kind of technological device.
19 Jan 2010 03:59:41 < mathw> or get a stand
19 Jan 2010 03:59:49 < lindar> xD
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19 Jan 2010 04:00:11 < mathw> time for rehearsal, anyway
19 Jan 2010 04:00:27 < lericson> This discussion is crossing the casual weirdness line, so ->
19 Jan 2010 04:00:28 < lindar> Even get tired of trying to juggle your iPhone and your balls at the same time?
19 Jan 2010 04:00:36 < lindar> *crunch!* *pain face*
19 Jan 2010 04:00:41 < lindar> THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY!
19 Jan 2010 04:00:47 < lindar> "NEW, FROM JBO, CO.! It's the iPhone waaaaaaaaaaank stand!"
19 Jan 2010 04:01:22 < lindar> No more jizzing on your iPhone accidentally during those embarrassing masturbation sessions when your wife is on your computer looking at FaceBook!
19 Jan 2010 04:01:58  * lindar had to cross that line.
19 Jan 2010 04:02:42 < lericson> How do I erase entire discussions with Lojban?
19 Jan 2010 04:02:50 < lindar> zo su
19 Jan 2010 04:03:05 < lericson> su.
19 Jan 2010 04:03:29 < lindar> What the hell were we talking about?
19 Jan 2010 04:03:32 < lindar> Oh yeah, "canko".
19 Jan 2010 04:03:40 < lindar> Can you think of a more suitable metaphor?
19 Jan 2010 04:03:51 <@Broca> su su
19 Jan 2010 04:03:59 < lericson> Also consider: 70656e697362697264
19 Jan 2010 04:04:30 < lindar> Wait... what's lodge ban?
19 Jan 2010 04:06:37 <@Broca> It's when they make a law against running B&Bs
19 Jan 2010 04:09:14 < lindar> ...I don't get it.
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19 Jan 2010 04:10:40 <@Broca> Lodge ban = accomodation prohibition
19 Jan 2010 04:12:45 < lindar> Oh, bed and breakfast.
19 Jan 2010 04:12:50 < lindar> Hah.
19 Jan 2010 04:17:23 < lindar> So, a metaphor other than jvinu, canco, or jarco?
19 Jan 2010 04:17:31 < lindar> s/canco/canko/
19 Jan 2010 04:19:16 < lindar> OH!!! terci'a !!!
19 Jan 2010 04:19:38 < lindar> What do you think of {terci'a}?
19 Jan 2010 04:21:24 <@Broca> It is kinda neat, in that it's not a perfect synonym for window.
19 Jan 2010 04:21:53 <@Broca> Hmm, or maybe it _could_ be.
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19 Jan 2010 04:22:06 <@Broca> It would always have some kind of inscription, whether or not the user can manipulate it.
19 Jan 2010 04:23:43 < lindar> Yesh. =D
19 Jan 2010 04:23:58  * lindar has posted this suggestion to jbofanva.
19 Jan 2010 04:29:31 < lindar> xD I'm reading over the word list and just got the image, upon stumbling on this word, of a person angrily referring to the innard of a computer as "samcanti".
19 Jan 2010 04:29:47 <@Broca> Where? What wordlist?
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19 Jan 2010 04:29:55 < lindar> http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt
19 Jan 2010 04:30:39 <@Broca> Are you... reading through the gismu list to scrounge for words that can be used in a computer context?
19 Jan 2010 04:30:50 <@Broca> I would start in the other end, but maybe that's just me.
19 Jan 2010 04:36:23 < lindar> Start in the other end?
19 Jan 2010 04:37:07 < lindar> That's kinda what I'm doing. I'm digging through for words that seem like they could be used in a computer-ish context, but mostly I'm trying to find alternate words for "window".
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19 Jan 2010 04:58:06 < florolf> coi la rossin
19 Jan 2010 04:58:14 < florolf> ji'a coi rodo
19 Jan 2010 05:00:45 < rossi> hm
19 Jan 2010 05:00:51 < rossi> coi florolf
19 Jan 2010 05:05:15 < lindar> coi la .florolf. .e la'oi rossi
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19 Jan 2010 05:57:35 < timonator> coi florolf
19 Jan 2010 06:00:01 < mathw> coi
19 Jan 2010 06:02:12 < timonator> coi mat
19 Jan 2010 06:02:25 < mathw> coi tim
19 Jan 2010 06:03:52 < mathw> .i .uisai mi citka lo cakla
19 Jan 2010 06:04:01 < timonator> ui dai doi catka citka
19 Jan 2010 06:04:19 < timonator> xu do calku cikna ca lo nu cakla cikta
19 Jan 2010 06:04:29 < timonator> ko creka ciksi e'u
19 Jan 2010 06:04:54 < timonator> lo cokcu cukta cu cukla ciksi
19 Jan 2010 06:06:26 < mathw> .uinai mi na jimpe
19 Jan 2010 06:06:29 < timonator> u'i
19 Jan 2010 06:06:32 < timonator> mi na jimpe
19 Jan 2010 06:08:15 < florolf> coi la timos
19 Jan 2010 06:08:19 < mathw> And that's what's wrong with the world :)
19 Jan 2010 06:10:19 < lindar> o_O
19 Jan 2010 06:11:15 < lindar> cooooooooi .timos.
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19 Jan 2010 06:15:19 < lindar> omfg There's a word for every type of measurement in here. I found xampo (amperes), but I can't seem to find Hz/CPS.
19 Jan 2010 06:16:20 <@Broca> That is a derived unit: the reciprocal of seconds.
19 Jan 2010 06:28:04 < lindar> Ah...
19 Jan 2010 06:28:12 < lindar> How would I express CPS in jbo?
19 Jan 2010 06:30:37 <@Broca> Best guess: something with snidu + frinu
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19 Jan 2010 06:35:39 < lindar> xelbo'a
19 Jan 2010 06:35:43 < lindar> ...something...
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19 Jan 2010 07:02:46 < cmacis> coi rodo
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19 Jan 2010 07:07:32 < codrus> ci zo ops
19 Jan 2010 07:10:50 < codrus> xu se jetnu lo du'u zoi gy troll gy puzi vitke
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19 Jan 2010 07:18:59 < codrus> oi lo mi tcati ku se panci la'e zoi gy chili gy u'i .i li'a ca lo prulamvanci lo nu mi xlali cu gasnu lo nu lumci
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19 Jan 2010 07:19:38 < Eimi> .i cipra
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19 Jan 2010 07:19:47 < codrus> ko na cusku fi la selckiku
19 Jan 2010 07:20:15 < xalbo> .i sa'e tu'a dei cipra lo ka ce'u curmi lo nu tavla kei mi .i ko spuda doi tirna
19 Jan 2010 07:20:25 < codrus> fi'i lo xruti
19 Jan 2010 07:20:32 < xalbo> .ui
19 Jan 2010 07:23:47 < codrus> oi lo mi tcati ku se panci la'oi chili u'i .i li'a ca lo prulamvanci lo nu mi xlali cu gasnu lo nu lumci
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19 Jan 2010 07:25:34 < xalbo> .ue sai
19 Jan 2010 07:26:46 < codrus> xu se jetnu lo du'u la'oi troll puzi vitke
19 Jan 2010 07:26:48 < xalbo> .i xu do lumci lo tcati kabri fo lo kapsiku
19 Jan 2010 07:27:43 < mathw> .u'i
19 Jan 2010 07:28:06 < xalbo> jetnu la'a
19 Jan 2010 07:28:34 < xalbo> .i da benji du'e so'i notci
19 Jan 2010 07:29:32 < codrus> ua
19 Jan 2010 07:29:41 < codrus> ki'a zo kapsiku
19 Jan 2010 07:31:35 < xalbo> .i lo kapsiku grute la'oi .Capsicum. .i cpina gi'e se stasu
19 Jan 2010 07:31:42 < xalbo> Chili pepper.
19 Jan 2010 07:46:25 < codrus> na go'a .i lo patxu pe lo ca prulamvanci sanmi cu pu se pilno lo pu'u jukpa lo djacu
19 Jan 2010 07:46:52 < codrus> sa na go'a .i lo patxu pe lo ca prulamvanci sanmi pu se pilno lo pu'u jukpa lo djacu
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19 Jan 2010 07:52:58 < xalbo> je'e
19 Jan 2010 07:53:23 < xalbo> .i le cpina tcati do xu kutke .u'i
19 Jan 2010 07:56:33 < codrus> kukte uedai ui
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19 Jan 2010 08:01:17 < codrus> ue mi puzi co'a cmima tu'a la'o gy linux debian user group gy .i lo notci pe lo cnino djedi cu me li ji'i cimu oiru'e a li ji'i sono oisai
19 Jan 2010 08:05:39 < xalbo> .ue sai
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19 Jan 2010 08:28:14 < rossi> to shave or not to shave?
19 Jan 2010 08:28:57 < codrus> don't do it!
19 Jan 2010 08:29:25 < rossi> but maybe SHE like's it?
19 Jan 2010 08:29:55 < codrus> well ask her
19 Jan 2010 08:30:05 < rossi> too shy
19 Jan 2010 08:30:39 < codrus> is she your girlfriend or just someone you have your eye on
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19 Jan 2010 08:33:05 < rossi> the last one
19 Jan 2010 08:35:19 < xalbo> Shave the left half of your face only.  Then stand with alternate profiles to her, and try to assess which gets a better reaction.
19 Jan 2010 08:36:03 < rossi> well, no
19 Jan 2010 08:36:14 < codrus> su'a ganai do na slabu lo mi'a djica gi lo snura zivle cu zukte lo nu katna
19 Jan 2010 08:36:31 < codrus> u'i doi la xalbo
19 Jan 2010 08:37:20 < codrus> maybe i should have used {ko'a} instead of {mi'a}?
19 Jan 2010 08:38:22 < rossi> moustache yes or moustache no?
19 Jan 2010 08:38:31 < rossi> decisions: aaaaaaarrgh!
19 Jan 2010 08:38:41 < xalbo> "If you aren't familar with the one who wants us (but not you), then a safe investor acts by cutting."
19 Jan 2010 08:39:04 < codrus> or better yet maybe {lo lo bazi lunbe nixli ku djica}
19 Jan 2010 08:39:58 < codrus> i try to be optimistic when i can
19 Jan 2010 08:40:19 < xalbo> .i lo'u se djica le'u la'a jai se djica do
19 Jan 2010 08:40:36 < codrus> ua
19 Jan 2010 08:40:38 < xalbo> .i do la'a lo lo ba zi lunbe nixli ku djica ku du
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19 Jan 2010 08:42:26 < codrus> su su'a ganai do na slabu lo lo ba zi lunbe nixli ku djica gi lo snura zivle cu zukte lo nu katna
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19 Jan 2010 08:43:05 < codrus> is that ok?
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19 Jan 2010 08:43:36 < codrus> i'm pretty sure i don't want {se djica} because it's "her desire"
19 Jan 2010 08:43:46 < codrus> coi djan
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19 Jan 2010 08:44:53 < djanatyn> ...?
19 Jan 2010 08:44:56 < djanatyn> I can talk! :D
19 Jan 2010 08:46:21 < codrus> were you silenced?
19 Jan 2010 08:48:15 < codrus> for excessive jubilation?
19 Jan 2010 08:52:26 < xalbo> {djica} is x1 desires x2.  So {lo djica} is someone who wants, not *what* someone wants.
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19 Jan 2010 08:53:10 < xalbo> So {lo lo ba zi lunbe nixli ku djica} is "A wanter of (related to in some manner) a soon to be naked girl"
19 Jan 2010 08:53:31 < xalbo> (also, note that {nixli} has immaturity baked in; you probably just want {ninmu})
19 Jan 2010 08:54:55 < djanatyn> Y'all should Mumble.
19 Jan 2010 08:55:07 < djanatyn> lo seldjica would be something someone wants.
19 Jan 2010 08:55:09 < djanatyn> I think.
19 Jan 2010 08:55:54 < xalbo> Yes.
19 Jan 2010 08:56:09 < codrus> ua
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19 Jan 2010 08:59:36 < xalbo> So {ckape} has an "under conditions" place, and {snura} doesn't.  .o'o cu'i
19 Jan 2010 09:02:09 < Hussell> da snura de va'o di
19 Jan 2010 09:03:55 < xalbo> Yeah.
19 Jan 2010 09:05:08 < xalbo> .i lo da'i nu do na jduno lo du'u ma kau se djica le ba zi lunbe .a'o dai cu jai va'o snura la'a fai lo nu katna lo kerfa be fi lo flira
19 Jan 2010 09:08:05 < codrus> oiro'e
19 Jan 2010 09:14:01 < Hussell> "If you don't know what the soon-to-be naked-thing (you hope) desires, shaving [a face] may be safe."
19 Jan 2010 09:14:09 < codrus> it took me this long to figure that out
19 Jan 2010 09:14:59 < xalbo> Yep.
19 Jan 2010 09:16:24 < Hussell> Why bother with the jai/fai thing? Why not just "va'o X, Y snura"?
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19 Jan 2010 09:18:12 < xalbo> No good reason.  Just for fun.
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19 Jan 2010 09:19:03 < xalbo> I was originally going to write {te snura}, until I realized that there was no snura3.  By then I already had the conditions of safety as first sumti in my head, and revising that didn't seem right.
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19 Jan 2010 09:52:24 < codrus> lo carvi vi ckaji lo ka tilju .i brife fi lo sutra
19 Jan 2010 09:54:53 < xalbo> zo jursa co'e
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19 Jan 2010 09:57:30 < Hussell> "Nearby, some rain is heavy/weighty. Wind having a fast speed!"
19 Jan 2010 09:59:34 < Hussell> lo carvi vi mutce i lo brife cu sutra
19 Jan 2010 10:05:29 < codrus> viku lo carvi ku talsa fi lo ka jursa .ije lo brife ku jdari
19 Jan 2010 10:07:04 < codrus> mi nelci lo do bridi
19 Jan 2010 10:07:36 < Hussell> "Nearby, some rain is challenging in harshness and some wind is firm/hard/unyielding."
19 Jan 2010 10:10:32 < xalbo> .i .oi lo du'u mi na birti tu'a zo talsa cu se jalge lo nu mi na djuno lo du'u xu kau zo talsa talsa mi
19 Jan 2010 10:11:20 < codrus> lo brife ku jdari lo to'e randa
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19 Jan 2010 10:16:45 < Hussell> I think "talsa" is usually used for things like "Alice challenges Bob to break her code." or "Charlie challenges Donna to a game of checkers."
19 Jan 2010 10:17:27 < codrus> but talsa3 can be ka
19 Jan 2010 10:18:06 < Hussell> Also maybe "Arnold challenges Sylvester in strength."
19 Jan 2010 10:18:49 < xalbo> At least that last could be a property.  Not sure about the others.
19 Jan 2010 10:18:52 < Hussell> Either way, I'm pretty sure it means "X issues a challenge to Y", not "X is difficult for Y".
19 Jan 2010 10:19:19 < codrus> lo cmana ku talsa lo ka cortu
19 Jan 2010 10:20:12 < xalbo> gimste specifically says talsa1 is a person, so I think I agree with you, Hussell.
19 Jan 2010 10:20:52 < codrus> hmm. my last one doesn't work. no {ce'u}
19 Jan 2010 10:21:25 < codrus> oh it is person. oops
19 Jan 2010 10:21:41 < Hussell> Try "nandu" instead.
19 Jan 2010 10:21:45 < codrus> lo cmana ku jai talsa lo ka cortu
19 Jan 2010 10:21:59 < codrus> xalbo: does that work?
19 Jan 2010 10:22:23 < codrus> Hussell: i'm trying to speak in metaphore u'u
19 Jan 2010 10:23:21 < xalbo> Fails in a few ways.  {lo cmana ku jai talsa} is {tu'a lo cmana ku talsa}, which seems even more broken.  And you're putting {lo ka cortu} into talsa2, instead of talsa3.
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19 Jan 2010 10:24:22 < Hussell> "Something to do with some mountain challenges some feeling-pain-ness"?
19 Jan 2010 10:24:36 < codrus> oops, je'e
19 Jan 2010 10:25:39 < codrus> how is {tu'a lo cmana ku talsa} broken?
19 Jan 2010 10:27:17 < xalbo> talsa1 is a person.  I can maybe give you a metaphor of the mountain being a metaphorical person and issuing a challenge, but an abstraction around the mounting seems even further.
19 Jan 2010 10:27:27 < Hussell> "lo cmana jai talsa" <-> "tu'a lo cmana cu talsa" <-> "le nu lo cmana co'e kei talsa"
19 Jan 2010 10:28:01 < Hussell> So, "The event of something unspecified happening to some mountain(s) challenges."
19 Jan 2010 10:29:50 < Hussell> Lojbanic culture encourages you to take everything written in Lojban literally.
19 Jan 2010 10:31:39 < codrus> hmm
19 Jan 2010 10:33:19 < Hussell> Were you originally trying to say something like "A mountain is painful"?
19 Jan 2010 10:36:28 < codrus> "the mountain challenges in the property of pain"
19 Jan 2010 10:37:16 < codrus> or "the mountain is painfull"
19 Jan 2010 10:41:07 < codrus> maybe {lo cmana ku ckaji lo ka gasnu cortu} is fine
19 Jan 2010 10:41:27 < Hussell> tu'a lo cmana cu rinka lo nu cortu
19 Jan 2010 10:41:56 < codrus> ie
19 Jan 2010 10:42:13 < Hussell> "cortu rinka" instead of "gasnu cortu", but otherwise Ok.
19 Jan 2010 10:42:32 < codrus> je'e
19 Jan 2010 10:42:39 < codrus> ki'e
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19 Jan 2010 10:43:02 < Hussell> fi'i
19 Jan 2010 10:45:39 < Hussell> lo cmana ka'e cortu rinka
19 Jan 2010 10:46:20 < Hussell> lo cmana ka'e crori'a
19 Jan 2010 10:48:07 < codrus> trying remember how to say "almost"
19 Jan 2010 10:48:27 < codrus> and not in the "almost all of" sense
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19 Jan 2010 10:52:44 < codrus> lo xamsi pu'o pencu lo mi karce
19 Jan 2010 10:53:04 < codrus> that's kinda close
19 Jan 2010 10:53:05 < xalbo> I think xorxes has proposed using {na ru'e} or something like that.
19 Jan 2010 10:53:23 < codrus> ue
19 Jan 2010 10:53:48 < codrus> are you sure you meant {ru'e}?
19 Jan 2010 10:54:30 < xalbo> Yes.  Though I'm not sure that's what he used.  But the idea is that if something is almost touching something else, then it's just barely *not* touching it.
19 Jan 2010 10:55:05 < codrus> but {ru'e} is "weak". not weak
19 Jan 2010 10:56:01 < codrus> uasai
19 Jan 2010 10:56:01 < Hussell> "ru'e" modifies "na", so "Not, but just barely".
19 Jan 2010 10:56:05 < codrus> i see now
19 Jan 2010 10:56:49 < codrus> lo xamsi na ru'e pencu lo mi karce
19 Jan 2010 10:56:59 < codrus> mi nelci zo'e
19 Jan 2010 10:58:00 < Hussell> "Some ocean has yet to touch my car." vs "Some ocean is not (barely) touching my car."
19 Jan 2010 10:58:14 < codrus> yeah
19 Jan 2010 10:59:11 < codrus> ok i have a window in the rain. time to make a run for the library
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19 Jan 2010 11:04:10 < donri> your mom has yet to be touched by the small size of my car, and the implication thereof regarding the non-presence of my need to show off a larger car.
19 Jan 2010 11:04:18 < donri> lojbo that, MF.
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19 Jan 2010 11:19:25 < codrus> doi Hussell ca lo na'e cabdei mi do pu penmi
19 Jan 2010 11:19:50 < codrus> sa doi Hussell ca lo na'e cabdei mi do xu pu penmi
19 Jan 2010 11:23:36 < Hussell> na morji
19 Jan 2010 11:31:17 < codrus> a'u ti'u ma do pu romoi vitke
19 Jan 2010 11:33:08 < Hussell> donri: "lo do mamta pu'o selpe'u pe'a lo ka lo mi karce pe'a cu cmalu ijeseni'ibo mi na nitcu lo nu mi jarco lo bramau karce pe'a"
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19 Jan 2010 11:35:37 < codrus> ue
19 Jan 2010 11:35:50 < Hussell> codrus: la pavrelma'i 3moi
19 Jan 2010 11:36:44 < Hussell> While you were gone, donri challenged someone to translate a somewhat profane sentence into lojban.
19 Jan 2010 11:39:23 < Hussell> I think I did a poor job of it, partly because the sentence was full of metaphors, and partly because was a bit scrambled in the first place.
19 Jan 2010 11:40:49 < codrus> i'm pretty sure that {ka} doesn't work
19 Jan 2010 11:41:33 < Hussell> In what way?
19 Jan 2010 11:41:47 < codrus> where's the ce'u?
19 Jan 2010 11:41:49 < xalbo> {ka} always has an open ({ce'u}) place.
19 Jan 2010 11:41:55 < Hussell> The originial sentence, BTW, was "your mom has yet to be touched by the small size of my car, and the implication thereof regarding the non-presence of my need to show off a larger car."
19 Jan 2010 11:42:37 < Hussell> By default, it's in the first open slot of the bridi. So, the x2 of "cmalu", in this case.
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19 Jan 2010 11:45:52 < codrus> "my car is small in the property/dimension <it> by some standard" .. i don't think "your mom" works in the <it>
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19 Jan 2010 11:48:57 < xalbo> .i ku'i lo mi karce cu ja'a cmalu fi lo mamta be do
19 Jan 2010 11:49:08 < xalbo> But my car is small, when compared with your mom.
19 Jan 2010 11:49:47  * codrus cu renro lo cilmo mlatu lo la donri ku na'e barda karce
19 Jan 2010 12:02:41 < Hussell> mi cliva ki'u lo nu cilre fi la xeterodon platirinos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodon_platirhinos)
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19 Jan 2010 13:39:52 < selckiku> coi lobypre
19 Jan 2010 13:42:18 < selckiku> i'm recording my recording for the day soon, anyone want a shout out?
19 Jan 2010 13:45:55 < lindar> Ooooooh, maybe me. =P
19 Jan 2010 13:50:50 < selckiku> coi la .lindar.
19 Jan 2010 13:51:00 < lindar> coooooooi
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19 Jan 2010 14:14:26 < lindar> Okay, maybe you can help me out with this! My very first thing to translate is the phrase "About GNOME". I have very little context to go off of, so I'm assuming it means "Click here to learn facts -About GNOME-."
19 Jan 2010 14:14:46 < lindar> Would anyone agree with this assumption?
19 Jan 2010 14:15:00 <@Broca> Assumptions are dangerous.
19 Jan 2010 14:16:12 < lindar> Indeed they are. Could you find the context? =D
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19 Jan 2010 14:17:42 <@Broca> Sorry. Sleeptime.
19 Jan 2010 14:18:38 < lindar> Perhaps it means "Facts about GNOME"? The next entry is "Learn more about GNOME", which is easy enough to translate, and I think provides some level of context.
19 Jan 2010 14:19:28 < pretsas> Awesome, gnome translation!
19 Jan 2010 14:19:29 < pretsas> Woo
19 Jan 2010 14:20:28 < lindar> o.o
19 Jan 2010 14:20:34 < lericson> lindar: It says where the translation is used right above the msgid.
19 Jan 2010 14:20:42 < lindar> >_>
19 Jan 2010 14:21:01 < lericson> And don't think you can deduce context, that just does not work. Trust me, I do these things very often.
19 Jan 2010 14:21:40 < lindar> #: ../gnome-about/gnome-about.desktop.in.in.h:1
19 Jan 2010 14:21:40 < lindar> #: ../gnome-about/gnome-about.in:60
19 Jan 2010 14:21:47 < lindar> How do I look at those? =D
19 Jan 2010 14:21:53 < pretsas> Well
19 Jan 2010 14:22:01 < pretsas> One appears to be a header-file
19 Jan 2010 14:22:09 < pretsas> Although I'm not completely sure
19 Jan 2010 14:22:17 < lericson> .in.in.h? The hell :|
19 Jan 2010 14:22:27 < lericson> A template of a template of a header file? What?
19 Jan 2010 14:22:34 < lindar> Found it!
19 Jan 2010 14:22:42  * lindar typed in "gnome-about" in the terminal.
19 Jan 2010 14:23:01 < lericson> :!
19 Jan 2010 14:23:20 < lindar> "About GNOME" is a clickable link that brings you to: http://www.gnome.org/about/
19 Jan 2010 14:23:42 < lindar> Therefore it's probably -FACTS- about Gnome.
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19 Jan 2010 14:25:27 < lindar> How are we going to translate "gnome" in Lojban? It's going to save a lot of space to write la .nom. but I don't think it would be appreciated, and every other translation just leaves the name as-is.
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19 Jan 2010 14:29:22 < lindar> Why doesn't {fatci} have a second place?
19 Jan 2010 14:29:38 < lindar> -_____-
19 Jan 2010 14:30:08 < cmacis> coi rodo
19 Jan 2010 14:30:21 < cmacis> I just sent my identify to freenode instead of nickserv
19 Jan 2010 14:30:44 < lindar> {djuno fi .gnome.}? "About GNOME"?
19 Jan 2010 14:30:56 < cmacis> +la
19 Jan 2010 14:31:14 < lindar> I'm striving for brevity where possible.
19 Jan 2010 14:31:37 < lindar> Are we really going to call it "GNO-MEH"?
19 Jan 2010 14:32:28 < cmacis> gnom
19 Jan 2010 14:33:29 < lericson> gnom
19 Jan 2010 14:34:44 < lindar> Cos I'm pretty sure we'd have to go with the pronunciation ({la .nom.}) or the name itself ({la'oi GNOME}) and not a mixture of both.
19 Jan 2010 14:41:10 < donri> gynom
19 Jan 2010 14:41:34 < donri> "GNOME (pronounced /ɡəˈnoʊm/)..."
19 Jan 2010 14:41:40 < lericson> Who the hell says "nome"
19 Jan 2010 14:41:46 < donri> om nom gnome
19 Jan 2010 14:41:51 < lericson> lol
19 Jan 2010 14:42:05 < cmacis> I say "nome"
19 Jan 2010 14:42:22 < lericson> WRONG!!
19 Jan 2010 14:42:33 < lindar> I say .nom.
19 Jan 2010 14:43:00 < lericson> It's guh-nome, and I heard RMS say that IRL!
19 Jan 2010 14:43:04 < lindar> It's seriously pronounced {gynom}/{gnom}?
19 Jan 2010 14:43:13 < lindar> RMS?
19 Jan 2010 14:43:19 < lericson> Richard M. Stallman
19 Jan 2010 14:43:28 < lindar> ...who is...?
19 Jan 2010 14:43:44 < lericson> The creepy guy who made GNU, started GNOME and is -the- GPL evangelist.
19 Jan 2010 14:45:13 < donri> "The initial project leaders for GNOME were Miguel de Icaza and Federico Mena."
19 Jan 2010 14:45:16 < lericson> Actually now that I read up a little, it seems he wasn't quite honest on his involvement in GNOME
19 Jan 2010 14:46:27  * lindar shrugs.
19 Jan 2010 14:46:29 < lindar> Nobody ever is.
19 Jan 2010 14:46:37 < lindar> Apparently Jimmy Wales invented Wikipedia.
19 Jan 2010 14:46:41 < lericson> He's creepy at any rate.
19 Jan 2010 14:46:41 < lindar> xD
19 Jan 2010 14:46:59 < lericson> I'mma show you just how creepy.
19 Jan 2010 14:47:07 < lericson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ&feature=related
19 Jan 2010 14:47:10 < lindar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Stallman Oh fuck, he is creepy looking.
19 Jan 2010 14:47:31 < donri> almost as hot as djanatyn, because everything is relative
19 Jan 2010 14:48:42 < lericson> The man is sitting in what appears to be some sort of auditorium, sits down, casually takes his sock off, and starts peeling stuff from his sole, and then gently starts eating said peelings.
19 Jan 2010 14:48:53 < lericson> s/ sitting/ in/
19 Jan 2010 14:48:57 < lericson> s/ in//
19 Jan 2010 14:49:51 < lindar> >__________________________>
19 Jan 2010 14:49:54 < lindar> Gross.
19 Jan 2010 14:50:14 < lericson> And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I don't use Emacs.
19 Jan 2010 14:50:51 < donri> dermatophagic?
19 Jan 2010 14:51:13 < lericson> Call it whatever you want, it's gross and I shall have no part in it.
19 Jan 2010 14:51:59 < donri> he likely isn't doing it to be gross, but because it's an impulse control disorder on the obsessive compulsive spectrum
19 Jan 2010 14:52:04 < donri> big words and everything is acceptable. :)
19 Jan 2010 14:52:18 < lindar> xD
19 Jan 2010 14:53:34 < lindar> Okay, so are we calling it {la .gnom.}?
19 Jan 2010 14:53:58 < lericson> When I saw him he was talking in an auditorium in front of like >9000 people (no), and he started boiling tea water in the middle of his speech, like three times, from his portable water boiler.
19 Jan 2010 14:54:02 < lericson> It was so retarded.
19 Jan 2010 14:54:05 < lericson> Oh well. Enough about him.
19 Jan 2010 14:54:23 < lindar> xD I just realised something hilarious.
19 Jan 2010 14:54:34 < lindar> What's the product flag for Gnome?
19 Jan 2010 14:54:35 < lericson> Your face? xD
19 Jan 2010 14:54:50 < lindar> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Gnomelogo.svg/125px-Gnomelogo.svg.png
19 Jan 2010 14:54:57 < lericson> HAHA
19 Jan 2010 14:54:59 < lericson> :DD
19 Jan 2010 14:55:08 < lindar> Gross.
19 Jan 2010 14:55:19 < donri> HAHA
19 Jan 2010 14:55:23 < donri> OH
19 Jan 2010 14:55:24 < donri> DEAR
19 Jan 2010 14:55:25 < donri> GOD.
19 Jan 2010 14:55:32 < donri> now we know.
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19 Jan 2010 14:57:40 < lericson> donri: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjpNt-F2QZA
19 Jan 2010 14:58:37 < donri> ui le marna e la sutra cu ba'e banli
19 Jan 2010 14:59:22 < lindar> xD I have no idea what they said, but that's -hilarious-.
19 Jan 2010 14:59:35 < lindar> It sounds like somebody pretending they speak English.
19 Jan 2010 14:59:54 < lindar> It almost sounds like Simlish to me.
19 Jan 2010 15:00:26 < donri> i think that was intentional
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19 Jan 2010 15:00:47 < lericson> Sounds like street Stockholm dialect to me :p
19 Jan 2010 15:00:54 < donri> but many adult swedes actually do pronounce english that bad
19 Jan 2010 15:02:07 < lindar> Okay! Proper translation of "About GNOME" = either {se facki fi la .gnom.} or {se djuno fi la .gnom.}
19 Jan 2010 15:02:22 < lericson> lindar: It's this cute clip on what's the best thing about some rural city, and the guy at the end goes "it's the drugs. the dope and speed. really good *shrug*"!
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19 Jan 2010 15:05:14 < lindar> Ah.
19 Jan 2010 15:05:49 < xalbo> The {facki} version seems better to me. The other is "someone knows something about gnome", which seems really obvious.  Of course they do.
19 Jan 2010 15:06:13 < xalbo> Then again, maybe they should both be sumti.
19 Jan 2010 15:07:26 < lindar> I'm going with {facki fi .gnom.} right now just so I can get the ball rolling. I'll copypaste to jbofanva in a new thread once I'm done and then y'all can bitch all you want. <3
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19 Jan 2010 15:10:50 < cmacis> but facki fi gnom isn't gendra!
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19 Jan 2010 15:11:57 < donri> la crida
19 Jan 2010 15:12:08 < lindar> >_>
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19 Jan 2010 15:12:10 < lindar> whatever
19 Jan 2010 15:12:13 < lindar> I added la.
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19 Jan 2010 15:12:25 < lindar> How would I express "learn more about..."?
19 Jan 2010 15:12:49 < lindar> That doesn't match up to anything in Lojban that readily comes to mind.
19 Jan 2010 15:13:03 < donri> ko zenba lo ni djuno
19 Jan 2010 15:13:40 < lindar> {zenba lo ni djuno fi la .gnom.} then?
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19 Jan 2010 15:17:58 < lindar> Hmm.. "Contact"
19 Jan 2010 15:18:23 < cmacis> context?
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19 Jan 2010 15:18:53 < lindar> "CONTACT"
19 Jan 2010 15:19:07 < lindar> ^ context
19 Jan 2010 15:19:22 < lindar> You know how on websites it'll say "CONTACT"?
19 Jan 2010 15:19:28 < cmacis> ah
19 Jan 2010 15:20:27 < cmacis> mrilu?
19 Jan 2010 15:21:18 < lindar> >_> My roommate is such a jackass. He's watching one of those "Fast and Furious" films and somewhat softly exclaiming "WOAH!" every ten to twenty seconds.
19 Jan 2010 15:25:31 < lindar> {la .gegl. voi cizra} - Does this make sense? >_>
19 Jan 2010 15:26:39 < cmacis> I think so. I'm not clear on the definition of voi
19 Jan 2010 15:27:17 < lindar> Sweet. I have to get to school now, but I think this is going well so far. I've not run into any computer lingo, just strange phrasings.
19 Jan 2010 15:27:20 < lindar> ta
19 Jan 2010 15:27:22 < lindar> ra
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19 Jan 2010 16:24:48 < cmacis> ;.
19 Jan 2010 16:24:54 < cmacis> .ei mi sipna co'o rodo
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19 Jan 2010 16:26:38 < CodeBlock> co'o la .cmacis.
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19 Jan 2010 16:56:35 < CGI830> ello
19 Jan 2010 17:06:40 <@rlpowell> CGI830: Hi.
19 Jan 2010 17:08:39 < CGI830> Broca: It's been suggested the main theme from dragon age origins is in lojban, yet none of the words in your sites dictionary come close to the words that are sung
19 Jan 2010 17:08:59 < CGI830> I dont know why it prefixed with broca but ignore that.
19 Jan 2010 17:09:45 < CGI830> I'm hoping you've come across this and could confirm or deny.
19 Jan 2010 17:15:16 < neptunepink> The pronunciation doesn't match directly to english pronunciation.
19 Jan 2010 17:15:49 < neptunepink> "sh" -> "c", "ch" -> "tc", 'j' -> "dj"
19 Jan 2010 17:15:54 < CGI830> If you wouldn't mind I can link you to a youtube copy of the song I am speaking of.
19 Jan 2010 17:16:49 < neptunepink> Go ahead.
19 Jan 2010 17:16:55 < CGI830> I find it hard to beleive they would use their own language for 2 songs in the game, and lojban for this single song.
19 Jan 2010 17:17:11 < CGI830> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxkO9Q85EaA
19 Jan 2010 17:20:13 < neptunepink> It isn't lojban.
19 Jan 2010 17:20:46 < CGI830> great so it's their undocumented version of elvish.
19 Jan 2010 17:21:11 < neptunepink> How dare they not document it.
19 Jan 2010 17:25:23 <@rlpowell> "It's been suggested the main theme from dragon age origins is in lojban" -- really?  By who?
19 Jan 2010 17:26:02 < CGI830> fools on a gamespy forum.
19 Jan 2010 17:26:30 < CGI830> http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=920668&topic=52250882
19 Jan 2010 17:26:45 <@rlpowell> Ah.
19 Jan 2010 17:27:07 <@rlpowell> It's hard to tell for sure cuz you can make up your own words, but almost certainly not.
19 Jan 2010 17:27:15 <@rlpowell> I hear a word starting with an "h" sound, which is totally not allowed.
19 Jan 2010 17:28:08 < CGI830> I am assuming it's incomplete but one of the dictionarys didnt have any words starting with a or h.
19 Jan 2010 17:28:25 <@rlpowell> Topic Archived?  dude, it's like a month old.
19 Jan 2010 17:28:48  * rlpowell was going to respond, since he has a gamefaqs account.
19 Jan 2010 17:29:34 <@rlpowell> CGI830: I've played some of it, so far up until the whole "light the beacon at the top of the tower; oh shit, full of shadows", and I started as an Elf.
19 Jan 2010 17:29:40 <@rlpowell> I didn't see anything that looked at all like Lojban.
19 Jan 2010 17:31:23 < CGI830> yes that game is very racist towards elves
19 Jan 2010 17:31:44 < CGI830> yet all the songs with lyrics seem to be in their version of elvish
19 Jan 2010 17:33:32 <@rlpowell> Heh.
19 Jan 2010 17:34:04 < CGI830> Might you know of any songs sung in lojban?
19 Jan 2010 17:34:22 < CGI830> I'm rather curious to hear it being sung now.
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19 Jan 2010 18:20:56 < uorygl> I suddenly want to try to write Lojban in a sensical manner using numerals.
19 Jan 2010 18:21:03 < uorygl> What are the decimal numeral cmavo?
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19 Jan 2010 19:27:42 <@rlpowell> uorygl: no pa re ci vo mu xa ze bi so
19 Jan 2010 19:29:18 < uorygl> Mmkay. And then there are two voicednesses (what do you call those?), about four places of articulation, and...
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19 Jan 2010 19:30:40 < uorygl> Stops, fricatives, approximants, and nasals; that's four manners of articulation. Then there's the difference between R and L.
19 Jan 2010 19:30:58 < uorygl> Also, ' is kind of another place of articulation, though it's also sort of like a vowel.
19 Jan 2010 19:31:33 < Hugglesworth> voiced and unvoiced?
19 Jan 2010 19:32:37 < uorygl> Those are them individually; what do you call them collectively?
19 Jan 2010 19:34:26 < Hugglesworth> didn't even know there was a term
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19 Jan 2010 19:35:52  * uorygl shrugs.
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19 Jan 2010 23:56:45 < lindar> ME!
19 Jan 2010 23:57:43 < neptunepink> la'e me la lindar
19 Jan 2010 23:58:00 < lindar> =D
19 Jan 2010 23:58:06 < lindar> Okay! Are we ready for some TRANSLATIONS?
20 Jan 2010 00:01:35 < lindar> I need to find the context of this next one, but what do you think a good translation of "mysterious" is? The line is "The mysterious GEGL".
20 Jan 2010 00:01:46 < lindar> fange is my choice, but cizra seems like another option.
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20 Jan 2010 00:03:23 < neptunepink> {co'e}!
20 Jan 2010 00:03:55 < neptunepink> .i co'osipna
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20 Jan 2010 00:18:07 < lindar> Hullo.
20 Jan 2010 00:18:14 < mathw> coi lindar
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20 Jan 2010 01:03:56 < lindar> Oh people.
20 Jan 2010 01:04:11 < lindar> Nobody wants to help me translate?
20 Jan 2010 01:08:26 < cizra> Nope...
20 Jan 2010 01:10:08 < sam_tceipn_> Not right now.
20 Jan 2010 01:10:09 < sam_tceipn_> Soon.
20 Jan 2010 01:13:09 < mathw> {cizra}'s entry actually says mysterious under 'also'
20 Jan 2010 01:13:17 < mathw> Either would probably work
20 Jan 2010 01:13:35 < mathw> I'm not really sure waht the difference is between them
20 Jan 2010 01:13:37 < mathw> same place structure
20 Jan 2010 01:14:21 < mathw> {fange} seems to concentrate more on alienness than oddness, which might imply that it's something odd to the x2, but which is perfectly normal for somebody from the same place as the x1
20 Jan 2010 01:14:35 < mathw> whereas {cizra} is more universally strange?
20 Jan 2010 01:14:52 < mathw> Of course it's only quarter past nine in the morning so I might be talking complete rubbish
20 Jan 2010 01:15:34 < lindar> No, that makes sense.
20 Jan 2010 01:17:07 < mathw> Sometimes it seems like we need a medium-sized essay on every gismu to understand it properly
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20 Jan 2010 02:18:59 < tomoj> hey translators
20 Jan 2010 02:19:00 < tomoj> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540803
20 Jan 2010 02:19:01 < tomoj> have you seen this
20 Jan 2010 02:19:18 < tomoj> I will check later if that's been posted to the group, but there are a lot of messages
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