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On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 04:04:45PM -0800, webmaster@lojban.org wrote:
> ! Special SI and SA Cases
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>
> * SI has no effect in a LOhU...LEhU even though ZO+LEhU does, so
> you can't do ZO+LEhU+SI+SI inside a LOhU...LEhU quote to get
> nothing.
>
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> * SA can destroy LOhU...LEhU quotes, of course.
> LOhU...LEhU+SA+LOhU, in particular, is exactly equivalent to just
> LOhU (hence, the quote is re-opened). SA cannot erase to any
> other word in a LOhU...LEhU quote (because they are not considered
> part of any selma'o) except for ZO if a ZO+LEhU quote is used
> inside the LOhU...LEhU quote (because the ZO is used grammatically
> in this case, and hence has a selma'o in practice).

These two rules should give you all a good idea of why I oppose the
ZO+LEhU hack. If people want to talk about failed LOhU...LEhU
quotes, the can bloddy damned well use ZOI, IMO.

-Robin


Robin Lee Powell scripsit:

> These two rules should give you all a good idea of why I oppose the
> ZO+LEhU hack. If people want to talk about failed LOhU...LEhU
> quotes, the can bloddy damned well use ZOI, IMO.

I should point out that "zo le'u" wasn't of course intended to allow the

  • literal* word-by-word quotation of a lo'u...le'u within a lo'u...le'u.

The intended style is lo'u ... lo'u ... zo le'u ... le'u, which is
intended to be *understood* as a literal quotation.

I doubt this feature, or misfeature, has ever been used (no ghits for it),
and if not, perhaps it should be removed. zoi-quotation is a reasonable
alternative, especially given that zoi-quotations nest nicely provided
you use a different delimiter for the outer quotation.

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