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> > > ;noi (NOI):Incidental clause. noi is Lojban's
> > > non-restrictive relative clause.
> >
> > That should be "non-restrictive relative clause marker" or something
> > like that. {noi} itself is not the clause.
>
> Fixed.

Same thing for {poi} and {voi}.

> > > The "restrictive" part means that the information in the
> > > poi clause is intended to completely identify the referents of
> > > the sumti that poi is attached to.
> >
> > Rather: it selects from all the referents of the sumti just those that
> > satisfy the relative clause. Which I see is more or less what you say
> > next, but why "completely identify"? You may not have any of them
> > identified.
>
> How about:
>
> The "restrictive" part means that the information in the poi clause
> is not used to restrict the set of things that the sumti poi is
> attached to refers to.

You mean "is used" right?

> > > pau re'i pat ta poi zvati le canko cu mo
> > > Question to Pat: that which at the window is what?
> > > Pat: What is that at the window?
> >
> > With demonstratives, it would seem that both {poi} and {noi} can be
> > used, though {noi} makes more sense to me. The referent of {ta} is
> > presumably only the thing that the speaker is asking about, so there
> > is no need to further restrict it. With {poi}, it would seem to say
> > "Out of all those things, what are the ones that are at the window?"
>
> It's from Alice; what did you mean for it to mean?

Probably just what you interpreted. I don't remember who Pat was,
was she the sister?

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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