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What we want is a transform of {pybu ?bu kuybu cu vlina le natfe be py (?) kuy (first ? for the unknown symbol, second for whether there need be a break to kee the p and q from running together in a literal string)
Jorge Llambías <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:

> Maybe {nafrvlina} (corrected to fit the rules, of course),

That would be {nafyvlina} or {na'ervlina}.

> following the
> pattern of swinging the 2nd place around to the front in tanru. Of
course,
> that is not quite right either, but it does get toward the idea
better than
> anything so far.

rob speer:

<<If you're speaking out loud, saying "(thing that means implication) bu"
won't tell you what the symbol for implication is. It will tell you how
to pronounce the symbol for implication, which I've already stated is a
useless endeavor.

If you're writing, then obviously instead of using some complicated
phrase to describe the symbol, you should draw the symbol.

And, if you're in a context where you can't draw the symbol at all:
(1) What will you gain from describing the symbol?
(2) Wouldn't you be better off describing how it's drawn, instead of
its
lerfu name?
If you're speaking out loud, saying "(thing that means implication) bu"
won't tell you what the symbol for implication is. It will tell you how
to pronounce the symbol for implication, which I've already stated is a
useless endeavor.

If you're writing, then obviously instead of using some complicated
phrase to describe the symbol, you should draw the symbol.

And, if you're in a context where you can't draw the symbol at all:
(1) What will you gain from describing the symbol?
(2) Wouldn't you be better off describing how it's drawn, instead of
its
lerfu name?>>

The same objections apply, of course, to all lerfu. I would assume that the various implication marks had different names (single arrow, double arrow, horseshoe, hook, to mention the most common). And why, exactly (though you claim to have explained it before) is pronouncing the symbol useless?

In the good old days (about last week it seems) the fact that somone thought he had a use for something in lojban was enough for half-a-dozen people to start with suggestions about how to do it; it was rarely the case that the response was to try to convince him he really had no such use (and, maybe, didn't even rally think he did).

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