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> > BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants
> >
>
<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+sumtcita+Formants>
>
> That's not quite the kind of template I meant, but that's helpful.
>
> Why the jai?

Because in general we don't know in which place of selbri1
the main bridi will fall. For example, consider {se pi'o},
i.e. {fi'o se pilno}. We want {broda fi'o se pilno ko'a}
to be {ko'a se pilno fi lo nu broda}. I write this
as {lo nu broda cu jai se pilno fai ko'a} which puts
ko'a in the x2 of pilno and {lo nu broda} in some place
of {pilno}.

> Don't you mean fi'o selbri1 fe'u *ku* in the first case?

Both will work. Without {ku} the tag is directly on the
selbri, and with {ku} it is in the place of a term, but
the meaning is the same, at least when there are no other
intervening terms.

> > For {BAI nai}, all we need to do is find the corresponding
> > {broda}.
> >
> > mau = fi'o zmadu
> > maunai - fi'o na'e zmadu
> >
> > ri'a - fi'o rinka ("x1 causes x2")
> > ri'anai - fi'o na'e fanta ("x1 doesn't prevent x2")
>
> Right, see, umm, my problem is *that's not a pattern*. I'd like to
> be able to make a general statement about what BAI+NAI means, but I
> can't.

Right. That's just to show where the pattern breaks down.
The only kind of general statement you can make is
something like "NAI changes the0 underlying selbri of the
tag into a selbri that is somehow opposite to the original".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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