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BPFK Super-Section: BAI sumtcita

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> On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 06:17:22AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > > BPFK Section: sumtcita Formants
>
<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+sumtcita+Formants>
> > >
> > > Why the jai?
> >
> > Because in general we don't know in which place of selbri1 the
> > main bridi will fall. For example, consider {se pi'o}, i.e. {fi'o
> > se pilno}. We want {broda fi'o se pilno ko'a} to be {ko'a se pilno
> > fi lo nu broda}. I write this as {lo nu broda cu jai se pilno
> > fai ko'a} which puts ko'a in the x2 of pilno and {lo nu broda} in
> > some place of {pilno}.
>
> That's a good point, but it is not what "jai selbri" means.

It's close enough.

In {jai tag selbri}, {jai tag} works like a SE that brings
the tag place to x1 and sends the x1 to the fai-place.

In {jai selbri}, the x1 is sent to the fai-place and some
unspecified place is brought to x1.

> ko'a cu jai selbri == tu'a ko'a cu selbri

That's a special case. In general:

ko'a jai broda fai ko'e == ko'e broda fai ko'a

> For what you want, I suggest {fa xi zo'e}.

{xi no'o} maybe. That may not work for every broda
though. For example {ka'a} is based on {klama}, which
doesn't have a place for the event, so in this case
we do need to introduce some new unnumbered place

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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