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pc:
> The traditional claim that a Lojban speech steam
> can be uniquely partitioned into Lojban words
> seems to be in trouble. the difficulties seem to
> center on the "foreign" parts of the language,
> cmevla and fuhivla — and lujvo insofar as they
> impinge on the latter (though these last
> questions seem to be getting solutions).

They aren't so much difficulties as different positions
on how strict or permissive the morphology should be.
Once we decide that, the uniqueness of the partitioning
of the stream is not under threat.

The main differences in criteria seem to be:

1) How do we represent a stressed syllable?

The official prescription has: capital letters or a following
syllable followed by a space. valfendi also allows a following
syllable followed by doi/la/lai/la'i + cmene, camxes doesn't.

2) Do we allow stress in syllables that shouldn't have it?

valfendi allows some of these "secondary stresses" in brivla.
camxes allows the last syllable of a brivla to be marked as stressed.

3) Which vowel combinations are allowed?

camxes allows ai, au, ei, oi, (i/u) vowel in
cmavo, cmene and fu'ivla, and no other vowel combinations
anywhere.

valfendi allows any combination in cmene and fu'ivla,
but only ai, au, ei, oi in cmavo and (i/u) vowel only
as a single cmavo by itself.

camxes allows {iy} in cmene as the only vowel combination
with y. valfendi allows any combination with y in cmene
and fu'ivla.

> One possibility for relieving this latest problem
> is to replace significant absences (pauses) by
> significant presences, a unique sound or mark.
....
> What can go between a /iy/ and a /uy/? Any
> phonologically legal Lojban string speech string,
> that is, one that contains no illegal vowel or
> consonant clusters (nor /iy/ and /uy/ of course).

{la iy anything uy} is similar to
{la'o any-word anything any-word}, although this
last one requires pauses.

I suppose the initial {.iy} will require a glottal stop
too, otherwise {la iy ...} and {lai iy ...} would be
practically indistinguishable.

> whole is taken as a block. This block can be
> used other than as the core of a cmene sumti.
> In particular, it can be inserted as a unit what
> is otherwise lujvo construction (with some
> adjustments probably rerquired, but certainly
> fewer restrictions than now are involved in
> fuhivla — apparently just a glue between vowel
> finals and /iy/ and /uy/ and vowel initials). I
> think that the only limitation is that the block
> can not be compound-final, which would mean that
> the pattern of many fuhivla (which went agains
> the usual Lojban modifier-modified anyhow) would
> have to be changed to put the category last.

I am preparing an addition along these lines, by allowing
cmene-rafsi, which are just any cmene followed by -iy.
So for example the rafsi for {djan} would be {djaniy-}. These
rafsi, like fuhivla-rasi, can only be preceded by y-rafsi
(four-letter rafsi or CVC-y rafsi or fuhivla-rafsi or other
cmene-rafsi). And y has to be disallowed in cmene.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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