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> I am afraid I don't quite follow what is going on
> here. I gather that you want "refer" to have
> some special sense, involving perhaps
> identification or specification or whatever.

No, just the usual sense as far as I can tell.
Terms that start with a gadri have referents.
Quantifiers are bridi operators that say how many
of the referents of the term they quantify satisfy
the bridi the term is in.

> Could you give an example of the difference. We
> have some sentence involving {lo bakni},
> referring to some group of things related to
> cows.

_Related_ to cows? {lo bakni} refers to cows,
not to things related to cows.

> I want to say that five of those things do
> such and such.

ko'a goi lo mu lo bakni cu broda

> And have said that, I want to go
> on and say some more things about those five.

ko'a brode

> Do
> I use {mu lo bakni} both times or {lo mu lo
> bakni} both times

The latter, preferrably linking them with a pronoun
if it's the same five cows both times.

> or the short form the first
> time and the long form the second

You could do that. You would not be referring to those five
cows the first time, you would just be saying exactly how
many out of the lot do something or other. Then the second
time pragmatically one would assume that the five cows you
are talking about are the ones that make the first sentence
true.

> (or, I suppose, conversely)?

That would not have the same pragmatic implication, I would
say.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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