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Robin's gadri Proposal

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1>I don't care for it either, but I suspect I have seen worse.
2>I guess I read {marji} differently, as being about kinds of stuff and shape rather than about parts brought together: "a plank is a wood in thin rectangular shape" not "a pencil is cedar and graphite in long octagonal shape" though even the latter does not seem to help for making a world.
3> You can have a destination without getting there, but it may be that that can't be said with {klama} (though I should think that it could with {co'u}, if nothing else, or the opposite of {za'o}).

Jorge Llambías <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:

pc:
> Hmmm! Is that the only stripe we have available? Probably, I suppose.
> But the BAI etc derived from gismu etc. are as liberated as lujvo are from
> tanru (perhaps more so).

1>I wouldn't think so. For example, it does not make sense to me to
say: {ta lanci fi'o te tirxu paci da} for "that's a flag with 13
stripes". It's just too weird.

> B> This seems to push the freedom of lujvo a bit further than I am
> comfortable with (the {marji} does not connect naturally with any place of
> {gasnu}),

2>-gau lujvo are very standard. {brodygau} is always {gasnu lo nu broda},
so:

ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e marji ko'i
ko'a is agent in ko'e being composed of ko'i

Could ko'a be an agent here other than by making ko'e out of ko'i?

> The answer seems to be {carna} but that is suspicious because of "axis;"
> could that be any center of rotation? Ahah! {muvdu} seem to be the
> {klama}-without-a-vehicle sought earlier. So {klama} already exists stripped
> in one way to its essentials (for that meaning of "go/come") — but we lack
> the "using vehicle..."

Stripping {muvdu} of its agent place was a small victory for the Lean Gismu
movement, but much too scarce.

> I am not sure how spatial tenses — as I understant them — will help with
> {klama}. They don't cover origin or destination or point of arrival or route
> or vehicle (thank God) or pace or just about anything that we might want with
> "come/go."

3>What about direction? "I was going home when I bumped into John, so we
went for a beer instead." I can't use {klama} there because although
home was my intended destination, or the direction I was going, it was
not the actual destination of my going, not the se klama.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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