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Re: BPFK Super-Section: BAI sumtcita
So it seems to me that BAI are just grunt work. With a few notable
exceptions, like va'o, there's really nothing interesting about
them.

I'd like to work on coming up with a general template for
non-special case BAI / SE BAI and BAI NAI. I think there are just
those two cases.

My initial suggestion for the first case:

bai (BAI)

Compelled by... Tags a sumti as fitting the first place of bapli. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an extra place with the meaning of the first place of bapli, and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words, the tagged sumti indicates that the action described by the bridi was forced by or compelled by the force that is the tagged sumti.

I am rather concerned about the BAI NAI case, because the causals use "despite"
and "nevertheless", but the only two non-causal cases are utterly different:

semaunai — not more than

seme'anai — not less than

This is *very* different from:

ri'anai — despite cause

The former seem to mean "BAI + NAI lo broda" == "BAI lo na broda", but the
latter seems to be something more like "BAI + NAI" == "BAI + ku'i".

The two cases above make *much* more sense with what NAI is supposed to mean,
but would break the "despite" cases entirely if followed as a general rule.

I can't make "despite" in my mind mean the same thing as "not caused by", which
is what it seems that "ri'a nai" should mean.

Suggestions?

-Robin