xorlo & mi nitcu lo mikce
John E Clifford wrote:
>--- Jorge Llambas <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
>wrote:
>
>
>>I hope I never claimed such a thing about the
>>universe!
>>But also not even about the universe of
>>discourse. All I
>>said was that if you mention it, then it is in
>>the
>>universe of discourse, not that if you don't
>>mention it
>>then it is not.
>>
>>
>
>You actually said that mentioning it the first
>time *introduced* it into the universe of
>discourse, whence I infer it was not there
>before. You may have *meant* something like "if
>I mention it then it is in the u/d even if not
>previously obvious that it was" or some such, but
>it is hard to take your words in that sense.
>
>
The only 'difference' between the two interpretations is the difference
between the item being newly introduced into the universe of discourse
at its first mention, and the item always having been in the universe of
discourse. But the interval in dispute starts at the beginning of the
discussion and ends at the item's first mention. Since the item is never
mentioned in the interval, this 'difference' is meaningless.
--
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip
through your fingers."