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xorlo & mi nitcu lo mikce

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Button! Does anyone know what the problem button
is that seems to get hit at various points when I
think I am doing normal stuff, like spacing or
paragraphing?


wrote:


>
> The standard set? There is a standard set of
> things
> that Lojbanists are required to talk about?

I didn't say they were required to talk about
them, only that the objects were always available
if an occasion arose to mention them. I suppose
that they are more precisely the objects in the
shared knowledge and beliefs of the conversants,
which presumably includes a large chunk of the
real world, though not all of it. And may
include quite a few other things as well.

> > Failing to do so is an offence in the
> > language game. The air molecule guy is
> probably
> > at most weakly in violation, but maybe in
> > violation none the less — even on the
> standrd
> > notion of u/d and certainly on the notion you
> > (only, apparently) seem to have been
> presenting.
>
> Which guy is in violation according to you, the
> one that says the box doesn't contain anything
> or
> the one that points out that it contains air?
> It seems to be a normal negotiation of the
> universe of discourse.
>
As I understood your position originally, the one
who "points out" that it contains air, since that
constitutes changing the u/d in mid conversation.
In that context, the one who says there is
nothing in the box would be correct when he said
it, according to the u/d then in place. In what
I now gather is your actual view, the move is
just a much less major shift, a pointing out of
what is going to be taken as relevant in the
conversation — a continually negotiated part of
most conversations.