xorlo & mi nitcu lo mikce
> pc:
> > --- And Rosta <a.rosta@v21.me.uk> wrote:
> > > Consider English "There is at least one
> cure
> > > for AIDS, and
> > > we discussed it". That entails or very very
> > > strongly
> > > implicates that one can go out into the
> world
> > > and find
> > > at least one cure for AIDS. "We discussed
> at
> > > least one
> > > cure for AIDS" doesn't imply that the AIDS
> cure
> > > is
> > > necessarily real. So the two English
> sentences
> > > seem not
> > > to be synonymous. But the Lojban
> equivalents
> > > are
> > > synonymous, and are equivalent to English
> "We
> > > discussed
> > > at least one AIDS cure". So I want to know
> how
> > > to render
> > > in Lojban the English "There is at least
> one
> > > AIDS cure,
> > > and we discussed it".
> > >
> > > To reiterate (for the sake of anyone else
> > > reading this), I
> > > am not saying that it is the job of *xorlo*
> to
> > > provide a
> > > way of translating "There is at least one
> AIDS
> > > cure,
> > > and we discussed it". Rather, I'm saying
> that
> > > one would
> > > like Lojban to have a way of translating
> it,
> > > and that
> > > xorlo happens not to provide it.
> >
> > What I mean by saying that xorlo seems to be
> a
> > "fix" that destroys an unbroken system:
> > {da cure — seems nearly impossible to say
> for a
> > material rather than a doctor la aids ije
> mia
> > casnu da} v. {mi'a casnu tu'a lo cure be la
> > aids} (using the intensional object rather
> than
> > the intensional place method.
>
> But we discuss the cure, not the abstraction.
> And
> what would be the abstraction that tu'a
> abbreviates?
> Or is {tu'a} just a marker showing that the
> discussee
> does not necessarily exist (at least as a cure)
> in
> the same world as the discussion?
Yes, it is not immediately clear which
abstraction to use. I am inclined to think it is
usually events: What we discuss is either
whether (or that) the cure exists or what it does
or how it does it. Just discussing the cure tout
court is a little like needing just a doctor, not
a doctor doing something. But in any case, it
does give a world creator to potentially distance
the object.