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xorlo & mi nitcu lo mikce

xorxes:
> --- And:
> > The issue doesn't have to do with referring to only
> > nonfictional things; it has to do with making it clear
> > what is and isn't claimed to be true of the local real
> > world. Normal discourse, including fictional discourse (e.g.
> > novels), makes a distinction between propositions that are
> > claimed to be true of the local real world and propositions
> > that aren't. So, for instances, the truthconditions of
> > {da gerku}, given that gerku are by definition real (in
> > the world in which they gerku), are such that one evaluates
> > them by checking through the local real world to see if
> > it contains something that has doghood.
>
> The usual interpretation would be:
>
> da (poi zasti le ma'a munje) cu gerku
>
> > Consider English "There is at least one cure for AIDS, and
> > we discussed it". That entails or very very strongly
> > implicates that one can go out into the world and find
> > at least one cure for AIDS. "We discussed at least one
> > cure for AIDS" doesn't imply that the AIDS cure is
> > necessarily real. So the two English sentences seem not
> > to be synonymous. But the Lojban equivalents are
> > synonymous, and are equivalent to English "We discussed
> > at least one AIDS cure". So I want to know how to render
> > in Lojban the English "There is at least one AIDS cure,
> > and we discussed it".
>
> I think somthing like {mi'o casnu su'o lo velmikce be
> fi abu be'o noi ca'a zasti}

OK, assuming an appropriate definition for {ca'a}. In which
case, {lo ca'a velmikce} ought to be just as good.

> > To reiterate (for the sake of anyone else reading this), I
> > am not saying that it is the job of *xorlo* to provide a
> > way of translating "There is at least one AIDS cure,
> > and we discussed it". Rather, I'm saying that one would
> > like Lojban to have a way of translating it, and that
> > xorlo happens not to provide it.
>
> It doesn't provide a way of doing it through gadri,
> but you can do it through predicates that require their
> arguments to be in the same world.

Fine, but it is as well to note this as one of the major
repercussions of xorlo on lojban.

--And.