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Controversial points in the morphology

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 11:11:09PM +0100, Arnt Richard Johansen
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 wikidiscuss@lojban.org wrote:
>
> >Re: Controversial points in the morphology
> >
> >Issue5: doi-la-lai-la'i in cmene
> >
> >Currently these syllables are not allowed in cmene unless
> >preceded by a consonant or followed by a vowel or apostrophe.
> >There is a proposal to drop the restriction altogether, and
> >require cmene to always begin and end with a pause (as they are
> >required in some contexts already).
>
> Anything that decreases the fluency of speech is a big no-no in my
> book.

Erm, you must be using a definition of "fluency" with which I am not
previously familiar.

> I agree that the no doi-la-lai-la'i rule is obnoxious,

No no no.

The obnoxiousness is not the point, the point is that *no-one* has

  • ever* consistently gotten it right. I used "belas lugosis" the

other day, and I *never* *noticed*. I'm not aware of a single
serious user of Lojban that has not messed this up at least once.

> but not as bad as it would be if we introduced a lot more pauses
> (the vast majority of cmevla would be in a name sumti and/or in a
> vocative anyway).

I *utterly* disagree. I think this is one of the biggest warts on
the language. It's worse than SA.

> And I think that Robin would have much more trouble with using Vy.
> pro-sumti if he had to do so in speech. Besides, Vy. sumti are
> different from cmene under this proposal, in not having a
> mandatory pause *in the front*.

Yes, that was my *point*. If mandatory pauses in the front are
bothering your, use cmene less.

-Robin