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On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 05:06:16PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > Examples of se du'o Usage
> >
> > ma'a klama lo zarci se du'o le du'u la tom cu zvati zy
> > "We go to the market, knowing that Tom is there.''
>
> What bothers me about this example is that there is no reason in
> the lojban to assume that the knower(s) and the goers are the same
> people.

I don't see that the translation particularily implies that either,
but would "given the fact that" make you feel better?

> For a general sentence {broda se du'u la tom cu zvati zy}, "X
> happens, knowing that Tom is there", are we to assume that the
> knower has to be the agent of the event X?

I wouldn't, no.

> The standard use of BAIs requires the BAI-associated selbri to
> have a free event place for the main event.

That may be true for a few, but it sure as hell isn't true in
general. There are many BAI for which the underlying brivla have no
event places. "tai" comes to mind immediately.

> In the case of {djuno}, the x2 is the obvious place for the main
> event,

djuno2 doesn't take events.

-Robin

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