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BPFK Section: Epistemology sumtcita

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On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 12:18:24PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > du'o (BAI) Known by... Tags a sumti as fitting the first place
> > of djuno. Augments the bridi in which it occurs, adding an
> > extra, un-numbered place with the meaning of the first place of
> > djuno and then fills it with the tagged sumti. In other words,
> > the tagged sumti indicates that the event described by the bridi
> > is known by, according to, or information gained from the
> > referent of the tagged sumti. See also: djuno, se du'o, te du'o,
> > ve du'o.
>
> If {du'o} is to have this extended meaning, we should not say that
> the tagged sumti fills the x1 of djuno.

I don't see a conflict there. Can you expand on that.

> > .i na'e zasti du'o la gugl.
> > Does not exist, according to Google.
>
> Would we say, for exampole, {la gugl djuno lo du'u na'e zasti}?

Sure. Why not?

> > du'o la rodjer.klark lo datni cu kakne lo nu djica le ka zifre
> > Data is capable of wanting to be free, according to Rodger
> > Clarke.
>
> Or {la rodjer klark djuno lo du'u lo datni ...}

I would certainly feel comfortable phrasing it that way.

> BTW, why {kakne lo nu} but {djica le ka}? I think it has to be
> {djica lo nu}.

Agreed.

> > Examples of te du'o Usage
> >
> > Artificial:
> >
> > mi ka'e sidju te du'o lo mikse saske
> > "I can help, knowing about medicine."
>
> s/mikse/mikce

Fixed.

> But this is {mi ne te du'o ...}.

Fixed.

> > Examples of cu'u Usage
> >
> > la .apasionatas pe cu'u la .artr. rubnstain. cu se nelci mi
> >
> > "The Appassionata", played by Arthur Rubenstein, is liked by me.
>
> How do we say "Arthur Rubenstein is now playing The Appassionata"?

Erm, that's what we just said, is it not? Except for the "now"
part.

{la .apasionatas ca se cusku la .artr. rubnstain.}, I suppose.

> >Proposed Definition of cu'u ko'a
>
> I suggest removing all of that.

Agreed. All references to it removed as well.

> >Examples of te ca'i Usage
> >
> >Artificial:
> >
> >lo nu mi cliva cu curmi te ca'i lo minde be lo nolraitru
> >"My leaving is permitted, based on the command of the king.''
>
> s/minde be/te minde be fi

  • nod*


> But the command is the basis for whose authority over what?

My authority over the decision to leave.

> >Examples of ve pu'e Usage
> >
> >Artificial:
> >
> >mi zbasu lo botpi ve pu'e lo nu cpacu lo blaci grana vau ce'o lo
> >nu gasnu co runme lo grana vau ce'o lo drata
> >
> >"I make bottles by the stages of getting glass rods, melting the
> >rods, and others."
>
> s/gasnu co runme/rumgau
>
> (As it is, the grana are in the temperature place.)

  • nod*


Mind adding it to jbovlaste for me? :-)

> >Examples of tai Usage
> >
> >loi cidjrburito noi barda tai lo'e stedu
> >"A burrito as big as a head."
>
> s/tai/tai tu'a

Why?

-Robin