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On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> On 6/2/05, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
> > Nuncusku and nuntigni are, I think, overlapping categories.
> > When I talk to you, that is a nuncusku but not a nuntigni;
> > Rubenstein's playing or a ballerina's dancing is both (because
> > playing the piano and dancing are ve cusku, expressive media).
> > If I were to leap about on my toes on stage, that would be a
> > nuntigni but hardly a nuncusku, because I wouldn't express
> > anything by it.
>
> I'm still unclear about what the x2 of cusku is. It is not the
> thing expressed, but something by which someone expresses
> something, right?
>
> For example:
>
> I express my gratitude with a "thank you".
>
> I express my frustration with a grunt.
>
> The ballerina expresses something with her dance.
>
> Rubenstein expresses something with the Appassionata.
>
> The x2 of cusku is the "thank you", the grunt, the dance and the
> Appassionata?
>
> Is the place structure of {cusku} soemthing like "x1 expresses
> something with x2 to x3 in medium x4"?

Gaaah.

This is hurting my head.

I would phrase those all the other way around:

My saying "thank you" indicates my gratitude.

My grunting indicated my frustration.

The ballerina dances, thus indicating he's incredibly gay. (I'm
going to la .bais. for that)

Rubenstein plays the Appassionata, thus indicating his froo-froo
artsy-ness.

In other words, the thank you, the grunt, text, whatever *ARE* the
thing expressed. Expressing these things may, or may not, indicate
something else.

> Are all of these correct:
>
> mi cusku zo ki'e
>
> mi cusku lo se cmoni
>
> le dansu cu cusku lo nu dansu
>
> la rubinstein cu cusku la apasionatas

Seems OK to me, although I normally use cusku only for things that
carry verbal information. As I said, though, the example came from
the CLL.

> {cusku} does not have a place for the thing expressed, only for
> the thing by which one expresses something.

I don't see it that way at all.

-Robin