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> On 6/21/05, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > ;.a'u (UI1): attitudinal: interest -
> > > disinterest - repulsion (cf. cinri,
> selcni)
> >
> > Although usage is changing, can we just for a
> > change maintain old standards and call the
> > intermediate position "uninterest" rather
> than
> > talking about whether it is advantageous to
> the
> > speaker?
>
> I think the point would be more valid for
> comparing the adjectives
> uninterested/disinterested than the nouns
> uninterest/disinterest.
> The noun "uninterest" seems to be hardly used
> at all. Google
> gives 100 times more hits for "disinterest"
> than for "uninterest",
> and from what I gather, usually with the "lack
> of interest" sense
> rather than the "lack of self-interest" sense,
> which would be
> more "disinterestedness". To my nonnative ears,
> "show/express
> uninterest" sounds much more strange than
> "show/express
> disinterest".

Yeah; I'm not too fond of "uninterest" myself,
but I was looking for a single word for "lack of
interest"

> In any case, when I write the definition I
> might use all of them:
> "used to show disinterest/uninterest/lack of
> interest/apathy/
> detachment/indifference/unconcern".

Yes, that does it nicely.

> > > ;ii (UI1): attitudinal: fear -
> security
> > > (cf. terpa, snura)
> >
> > Surely, as an attitudinal (however vague that
> > term is), the opposite of fear is something
> like
> > "confidence," "security" doesn't seem to be
> an
> > attitude at all (even in a very loose sense).
>
> Feeling safe, having a feeling of security?
> How about something like:
>
> .ii nai le ctuca na ba bu'u tolcri mi'o
> Security The teacher won't find us here.
>
> Perhaps "security" could be the middle one
> though:
> fear - security - confidence ?

I'm not quite sure how we would divide these up
in any thoroughgoing system. But then we don't
have a system here at all, let alone a
thoroughgoing one, so this has some real
possibilities.

> > > ;.o'i (UI1): attitudinal: caution -
> > > rashness (cf. capyrivbi, capfanta,
> srerivbi,
> > > srefanta, naldarsi, seljde)
> > The classic version is, of course, "cowardice
> --
> > bravery — rashness" but I don't suppose
> anyone
> > ever *expresses* cowardice and caution is a
> good
> > substitute. Is there a similar substitute
> for
> > "bravery"?
>
> perhaps for this scale
> caution - carefreeness?nonchalance? - rashness

Nice. a different sclae than the virtues and
vices one but very servicable.

> > > ;.u'o (UI1): attitudinal: courage -
> > > timidity - cowardice (cf. virnu)
> >
> > See above. I suspect the classic system has
> a
> > different base (excess and lack of a quality)
> > from whatever the base is here. (It would be
> > nice to work that base out for consistency's
> sake
> > and completeness)
>
> "Classic" in what sense? In Lojban/Loglan
> terms, or
> something else? (Aristotelian?)

Aristotelian exactly. Hence western civilization
well into at least the 19th century.

> > > .u'o nai mi na nerkla ta
> > > Oh no, I'm not going in there.
> > >
> > > ;.u'u (UI1): attitudinal: repentance -
> > > lack of regret - innocence (cf. xenru,
> zugycni)
> >
> > The path here looks toward impudence not
> > innocence.
>
> That "innocence" always seemed weird to me too.

I don't know quite where innocence fits into any
of this — the contrast is presumably with guilt
and a neutral non-involvement position, but are
any of these attitudes or the like?

>
> > <<;ue (UI1): attitudinal: surprise - not
> > really surprised - expectation (cf.
> > spaji)>>
> >
> > "expected" mot "expectation — which suggests
> > something yet unknown, while this is
> respponse to
> > a fait accompli.
>
> It should be a noun though. "Expectedness"?
Weoll, the neutral point is adjectival too. I'm
sure there is a better noun (if we must have one
-- I actually think it makes more sense for all
of them to be adjectives).