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On 6/22/05, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > ;.u'o (UI1): attitudinal: courage -
> > > > timidity - cowardice (cf. virnu)
> > >
> > > See above. I suspect the classic system has
> > a
> > > different base (excess and lack of a quality)
> > > from whatever the base is here. (It would be
> > > nice to work that base out for consistency's
> > sake
> > > and completeness)
> >
> > "Classic" in what sense? In Lojban/Loglan
> > terms, or
> > something else? (Aristotelian?)
>
> Aristotelian exactly. Hence western civilization
> well into at least the 19th century.

Aristotle's virtues and vices don't seem all that useful
to deal with attitudinals. Those virtues and vices seem
to be expressed through actions more than with words.
Besides, it would be weird to have the basic element
indicate excess, and then add {cu'i} for the mean and
{nai} for the lack.

> > > <<;ue (UI1): attitudinal: surprise - not
> > > really surprised - expectation (cf.
> > > spaji)>>
> > >
> > > "expected" mot "expectation — which suggests
> > > something yet unknown, while this is
> > respponse to
> > > a fait accompli.
> >
> > It should be a noun though. "Expectedness"?
> Weoll, the neutral point is adjectival too. I'm
> sure there is a better noun (if we must have one
> — I actually think it makes more sense for all
> of them to be adjectives).

The ma'oste is rather haphazard about this, sometimes
it uses adjectives and sometimes nouns. I think it makes
more sense to unify everything into nouns. Something along
the lines of these definitions for English interjections:

oh
interj.
1. Used to express strong emotion, such as surprise, fear,
anger, or pain.
2. Used in direct address: Oh, sir! You forgot your keys.
3. Used to indicate understanding or acknowledgment of a
statement.

ah
interj.
Used to express various emotions, such as satisfaction,
surprise, delight, dislike, or pain.

eh
interj.
1. Used in asking a question or in seeking repetition or
confirmation of a statement.
2. (Chiefly Canadian.) Used to ascertain or reinforce a
listener's interest or agreement.

yay
interj.
Used as an exclamation of pleasure, approval, elation, or
victory.

The Lojban attitudinals tend to be more focused, but
other than that, many work just like English interjections.

mu'o mi'e xorxes