BPFK Section: gadri
I don't quite see how this distinction fits the extension-intension distinction and even less what that distinction has to do with the {lo}-{le} contrast. Both {lo broda} and {le broda} pick out things with reference to the (probably very vague) property of being a broda. In one case, the speaker is apparently indifferent to or ignorant of which broda satisfies the rest of the sentence. In the other case, the speaker knows and wishes to let the hearer know which one it is and uses the predication to aid that task. Both are extensional (refer to things, not concepts). The distinction given here does seem to bear on the difference between {le} and {lo}, though the connection bertween these and {la'e} and {lu'e} is forced at best.
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xod <xod@thestonecutters.net> wrote:
wikidiscuss@lojban.org wrote:
>Re: BPFK Section: gadri
>BTW, xod says that "lo broda poi brode" == "le broda" (with loss of information, of course).
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>Is that always true, or is it specific to your scheme? Regardless, it seems to be true and I'd appreciate it if you mentioned it somewhere.
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I've found a dyad of ideas which approximate *Intension* and
- Extension*, even if the correlation is not perfect. Intension is
similar to *selkaicfa*; la'e-like, beginning with a set of qualities,
one discusses the items, if any, that qualify. Extension is similar to
- kaicfa*; lu'e-like, beginning with an object in mind, one discusses its
qualities in order to describe it. (When I use "any" in English, I am
experiencing selkaicfa; I have a requirement in mind, and I am referring
to whatever items fit the bill. However, I also can use "any" to express
a lack of preference among the members of a set, all of whose members
might be known specifically to me: "Hit this button with any of your
fingers.")
Under Jorge's proposal before the BF, lo = selkaicfa, le = kaicfa. With
selkaicfa, the speaker has given an explicit description of the required
qualities, and the sumti refers to anything that matches. In kaicfa, the
speaker has given only a partial list of the qualities, in order to aid
the listener in understanding.
So lo poi isn't le.
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