Esther
On 7/7/08, lagejyspa <wikidiscuss@lojban.org> wrote:
> Besides, I don't see anything inherently wrong with "la gugrperja"
> it's the country that's known by the name of the "Persia country".
I would say it is inherently wrong to use the English pronunciation
in cases like these, where there's no significant connection between
the thing named and the English language. (Same goes for "marbli".)
> Xorxes:
> > Another way:
> > {... gi lo me lo nobli .e lo jansu me'u pe lo selje'a}.
>
> Okay, I like your second suggestion. Also, do you think ".e"
> would be better as "kujoi?"
{ku} is not needed with the PEG grammar. I don't think the choice
really matters in this case, I use {jo'u} for neutral between {.e}
and {joi}.
> > {lo se du'u ra klagau la vacTIC. po'u le noltruni'u le nolraitru fi'o
> > seldasni le nobli nolmapku}: Who wears the crown? The servants (x1),
> >the queen (x2), or the king (x3)? Isn't {nobli nolmapku} redundant?
>
> Good point. The literal Hebrew is "...to bring Vashti the Queen before
> the king in a royal crown". If you can figure out how to disambiguate it
> to Vashti without distorting the order or adding new non-cmavo (I consider
> fi'o seldasni fe'u to function as a single BAI, so don't consider it to be
> a "significant" word), I'd love to hear it.
I'd use {fau lo nu vy dasni lo nolmapku}.
> "nobli nolmapku" is redundant in the same way that "royal crown" is
> in the Hebrew, so I don't consider that a flaw.
The Hebrew word for "crown" includes a "royal" morpheme,
and that same morpheme is used again as a modifier?
> > {sera'a le nolraitru po'onai la vacTIC. po'u le noltruni'u cu pacyzu'e
> >ji'a sera'a ro nobli .e ro prenu vu'o poi zvati ro selje'a po'e la
> > .axacyveROC. po'u le nolraitru}: {po'onai} and {ji'a} don't seem to be
> > in the right place. For "not only ... but also ..." I suggest
> > {gepo'onai ... giji'a ...}.
>
> Not that I have any objection per se, but I'm not sure what is gained by it?
So that {po'onai} and {ji'a} are not modifying the wrong thing. As it is,
{po'onai} modifies {nolraitru} instead of {le nolraitru} (easy to fix
with a {ku})
and {ji'a} modifies {pacyzu' e} instead of its x2 argument (very hard/
impossible to fix, given the complexity of the sumti).
mu'o mi'e xorxes