Wiki page How to use xorlo changed
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 04:03:32PM +0100,
> Philip Newton wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:38:17 -0800,
> webmaster@lojban.org
> > <webmaster@lojban.org> wrote:
> > > Something that needs to be noted in
> general: we, the BPFK, made
> > > a consensus decision that we do not
> make rulings on
> > > ontological or metaphysical issues; that
> is, we will not tell
> > > you whether phrase X has meaning or
> validity.
> > ...
> > > * lo with an outer quantifier, which is
> exactly the same thing
> > > as just sticking a number before an item
> (i.e. "mu lo bakni" ==
> > > "mu bakni" == "five cows), works pretty
> much as before: "five
> > > things that really are cows".
> >
> > Was the "really are" intended?
> >
> > >From what I understand, "lo" is no longer
> makes a statement that
> > >a {lo
> > broda} "really is" a broda (or "really does"
> broda)... so wouldn't
> > {mu lo bakni} be closer to "five things that
> are cows", without
> > the "really"?
>
> You're conflating {mu lo bakni} with {lo
> bakni}. The former has an
> outer quantifier, the latter does not. The
> meanings are not the
> same. It is assumed that you wouldn't talk
> about a number of cows
> unless you actually wished to talk about cows.
But you might want to talk about a number (5 in
this case) of things that are related to cows
somehow, i.e., to specify the number of lo bakni
of current interest.
> > > * A fractional outer quantifier selects a
> portion of the
> > > group. So "pa pi re loi xa bakni cu bevri
> lo pipno" means that
> > > one half of some group of six cows (i.e. 3
> cows) carried the
> > > piano.
> >
> > Does {pa pi re} mean "one half", then?
>
> No, that was a mistake. I meant "pi mu".
>
> -Robin
>
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