Wiki page How to use xorlo changed
On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 06:59:31AM -0800, John E Clifford wrote:
>
> --- Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 04:03:32PM +0100,
> > Philip Newton wrote:
> > > On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:38:17 -0800,
> > webmaster@lojban.org
> > > <webmaster@lojban.org> wrote:
> > > > Something that needs to be noted in
> > general: we, the BPFK, made
> > > > a consensus decision that we do not
> > make rulings on
> > > > ontological or metaphysical issues; that
> > is, we will not tell
> > > > you whether phrase X has meaning or
> > validity.
> > > ...
> > > > * lo with an outer quantifier, which is
> > exactly the same thing
> > > > as just sticking a number before an item
> > (i.e. "mu lo bakni" ==
> > > > "mu bakni" == "five cows), works pretty
> > much as before: "five
> > > > things that really are cows".
> > >
> > > Was the "really are" intended?
> > >
> > > >From what I understand, "lo" is no longer
> > makes a statement that
> > > >a {lo
> > > broda} "really is" a broda (or "really does"
> > broda)... so wouldn't
> > > {mu lo bakni} be closer to "five things that
> > are cows", without
> > > the "really"?
> >
> > You're conflating {mu lo bakni} with {lo
> > bakni}. The former has an
> > outer quantifier, the latter does not. The
> > meanings are not the
> > same. It is assumed that you wouldn't talk
> > about a number of cows
> > unless you actually wished to talk about cows.
>
> But you might want to talk about a number (5 in
> this case) of things that are related to cows
> somehow, i.e., to specify the number of lo bakni
> of current interest.
That's {lo mu bakni}.
-Robin