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BPFK Section: Aspect

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Well, we are torn between two intuitions with no firm guides. (1) The overachieved event is clearly going to x, so ending in fact at y is irrelevant and part of the overage, thus after the {za'o} in parallel with the more nearly temporal forms (typically, {le nu mi bacru dei} implicitly). On the other hand, (2) the true claim is that the traveller got to y and that he did so by overshooting x, which suggests that the mention of x goes into the subordinate clause. As far as I can tell, most of the analogies favor 1 and yet 2 seems the more natural in most contexts.

This is all about a single event, of course. What to do with habitual or repeated events is harder to say. So the above problems arise with "He kept on running after he finished the race" but may not work for "He kept on running after he turned 70." Of course, the "after" suggests other solutions outside {za'o}.

All of which I think that Aspect is not ready to be tied up yet.
Jorge LlambĂ­as <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:

I would understand {da klama de za'o di} to say that someone's going
somewhere continues beyond some natural ending point. One way this
can happen is for example by going in circles:

la djan klama le do zdani za'o lo nu ciroi pagre lo crane be zy
John keeps going to your house having passed in front
of it three times already.

Passing in front of the place would normally constitute an ending
point to going to that place, but in this case the going continues
beyond the natural ending point.

Another possibility is that we are talking of a habitual going:

la djan klama le dy tcadu za'o lo nu ro pendo be dy ba'o cliva ty
John keeps going back to his hometown even after all his friends
have left it.

I don't think za'o can tag the new destination after an overshoot,
but I don't think the x2 of klama will take the new destination
either. x2 will always remain the original destination, as that
is the event which we are looking at and whose aspects we are
considering.

mi'e xorxes


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