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On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:38:04PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> >Examples of te ki'i Usage
> >
> >na viska le munje te ki'i lo ka purci ku ba la'e de'u
> >
> >Unseen is the world of the past after this.
>
> I don't understand this either in Lojban or in English,

Nor do I, really.

> but if it's "the world of the past" it seems that {be te ki'i}
> would be closer.

True. Done.

> Now, {te ki'i} tags a two place relationship, so presumably it's
> {lo ka ce'u purci ce'u}. {le munje be te ki'i lo ka purci} would
> be not the world of the past but the world in which things are in
> the past of other things, i.e. the opposite of a timeless world.
> The usual world we live in is a world with the purci relationship.
> {le munje be te ki'i lo ka purci} could refer to our ordinary
> time-ordered world.

Other suggestions welcome. IIRC that was the *only* live usage I
could find.

> > Examples of du'i Usage
> >
> > mi muvgau lo tivni le sorcu du'i lo rupnu be li pa re ki'o
> >
> > I moved $12, 000 of televisions into storage.
>
> Why is the $12,000 the worth of the televisions rather than how
> much I charged for moving them into storage? If it's the
> televisions, it should be {lo tivni ne du'i lo rupnu ...}

Done.

> > Examples of pa'u Usage
> >
> >mi finti le minji pa'u be lo danlu selci
> >
> >I've invented this machine which includes animal cells.
>
> s/pa'u be/be pa'u

Done.

> > Examples of pa'a Usage
> >
> >pei da'i mi basti le mi mulno xekri taxfu lo mulno blabi taxfu
> >tu'a se pa'a la xavier
> >
> >What do you think of me replacing my all-black clothes with
> >all-white clothes, like Xavier?
>
> s/basti/bastygau fi ... fe ...

basygau, rather.

Done.

> s/tu'a se pa'a/pa'a tu'a

Done.

> > Examples of ma'e Usage
> >
> >mi pilno lo rocki lo nu finti lo larcu dacti kei ma'e ta
> >
> >I use rock to create objects of art, including that one over
> >there.
>
> That rock or that object of art over there?

Both. Does it matter? Whatever is being pointed at will resolve
the issue.

> >Examples of ra'a Usage
> >
> >mi na birti tu'a ma kau poi cukta vau pe ra'a le do jufra
> >
> >I am not certain what book your sentence is about.
> >
> >le nuntalyli'u be la .odiseus. cu lisri lo nu klama lo se xabju
> >kei la .xomer. ra'a le cukta be ro da bei la .xomer.
> >
> >The adventure of Odysseus is a story about going home by Homer
> >and is pertained to by The Collected Works Of Homer.
>
> {ra'a} seems to be duplicated here and in Epistemology sumtcita.

That's A Bug.

Moved to Epistemology.

> > Examples of se li'e Usage
> >
> >mi klama le zarci se li'e la .djan.
> >
> >I go to the store preceeding/being followed by John.
>
> {mi ne se li'e la djan}

Done.

> > Examples of te li'e Usage
> >
> >mi'o bajra te li'e lo cmalu bi'o lo barda
> >
> >We ran in order from smallest to largest.
>
> {mi'o ne te li'e ...}

Done.

> >Examples of ka'i Usage
> >
> >mi ritli cuxna pa jatna ka'i le mi mamti mu'i lo nu mi bilma
> >
> >I vote on one captain as represented by my mother, because I'm
> >sick.
>
> s/mamti/mamta
>
> I don't understand the sentence though. Whom does the mother
> represent?

The speaker. The mother brings in the vote for the son.

Would you prefer ne?

> > Examples of se ka'i Usage
> >
> > mi cpacu le jemna do se ka'i le te selplijibri be mi
> >
> > I get the jewel from you on behalf of my boss.
>
> You act on behalf of my boss?

What? No. Why would it mean that?

> > Examples of rai Usage
> >
> > mi pajni le nu jivna rai la .kim.
> >
> > I adjucated the competition that was won by Kim.
>
> s/adjucated/adjudicated
>
> Not sure why {rai la kim} would mean that Kim won though. Could it
> be the competition in which Kim participated the most?

It could be many things, certainly.

Seems that in this context, though, {traji lo ka certu kei fo ro
jivna} seems pretty reasonable.

How about a two-stager?

"I adjucated the competition at which Kim was superlative (in some
fashion unspecified)."

"I adjucated the competition that was won by Kim (or in which Kim
participated the most, or was in some other way superlative;
context dependent)."

> >Examples of se rai Usage
> >
> >sy sidju klama dy se rai lo ka sutra pe lo nu le xasli cu bajra
> >
> >S helpfully went to D as fast as a donkey can run.
>
> *The* donkey, S's donkey, in fact.

Erm, wouldn't S *be* the donkey, since it's the one going?

Changed to:

S helpfully went to D as fast as the donkey could run.

-Robin