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On 6/21/05, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > ;.a'u (UI1): attitudinal: interest -
> > disinterest - repulsion (cf. cinri, selcni)
>
> Although usage is changing, can we just for a
> change maintain old standards and call the
> intermediate position "uninterest" rather than
> talking about whether it is advantageous to the
> speaker?

I think the point would be more valid for comparing the adjectives
uninterested/disinterested than the nouns uninterest/disinterest.
The noun "uninterest" seems to be hardly used at all. Google
gives 100 times more hits for "disinterest" than for "uninterest",
and from what I gather, usually with the "lack of interest" sense
rather than the "lack of self-interest" sense, which would be
more "disinterestedness". To my nonnative ears, "show/express
uninterest" sounds much more strange than "show/express
disinterest".

In any case, when I write the definition I might use all of them:
"used to show disinterest/uninterest/lack of interest/apathy/
detachment/indifference/unconcern".

> > ;ii (UI1): attitudinal: fear - security
> > (cf. terpa, snura)
>
> Surely, as an attitudinal (however vague that
> term is), the opposite of fear is something like
> "confidence," "security" doesn't seem to be an
> attitude at all (even in a very loose sense).

Feeling safe, having a feeling of security?
How about something like:

.ii nai le ctuca na ba bu'u tolcri mi'o
Security The teacher won't find us here.

Perhaps "security" could be the middle one though:
fear - security - confidence ?

> > ;.o'i (UI1): attitudinal: caution -
> > rashness (cf. capyrivbi, capfanta, srerivbi,
> > srefanta, naldarsi, seljde)
> The classic version is, of course, "cowardice --
> bravery — rashness" but I don't suppose anyone
> ever *expresses* cowardice and caution is a good
> substitute. Is there a similar substitute for
> "bravery"?

perhaps for this scale
caution - carefreeness?nonchalance? - rashness

> > ;.u'o (UI1): attitudinal: courage -
> > timidity - cowardice (cf. virnu)
>
> See above. I suspect the classic system has a
> different base (excess and lack of a quality)
> from whatever the base is here. (It would be
> nice to work that base out for consistency's sake
> and completeness)

"Classic" in what sense? In Lojban/Loglan terms, or
something else? (Aristotelian?)

> > .u'o nai mi na nerkla ta
> > Oh no, I'm not going in there.
> >
> > ;.u'u (UI1): attitudinal: repentance -
> > lack of regret - innocence (cf. xenru, zugycni)
>
> The path here looks toward impudence not
> innocence.

That "innocence" always seemed weird to me too.

> <<;ue (UI1): attitudinal: surprise - not
> really surprised - expectation (cf.
> spaji)>>
>
> "expected" mot "expectation — which suggests
> something yet unknown, while this is respponse to
> a fait accompli.

It should be a noun though. "Expectedness"?

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