BPFK Section: brivla Negators Posted by pycyn on Fri 06 of Aug, 2004 21:49 GMT posts: 2388 Use this thread to discuss the BPFK Section: brivla Negators page.
Posted by pycyn on Fri 06 of Aug, 2004 21:56 GMT posts: 2388 The notions of contrary and contradictory negation needs to be mentioned — and used. In that context, some discussion of {na} and {naku} seems called for. Otherness and oppositeness need discussions of "same area" (or whatever) and of scales.
Posted by xorxes on Fri 06 of Aug, 2004 23:33 GMT posts: 1912 pc: > The notions of contrary and contradictory negation needs to be mentioned -- > and used. > In that context, some discussion of {na} and {naku} seems called for. Yes, I still have to add examples. {naku} before a quantifier is contradictory, after the quantifier is contrary, right? I want to make a case for the {na} to have scope over quantifiers to its right but under quantifiers to its left, rather than taking it to always have scope over all quantifiers. > Otherness and oppositeness need discussions of "same area" (or whatever) and > of scales. Right. I expect to extend those definitions a bit when I work on the examples. mu'o mi'e xorxes __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Posted by pycyn on Sat 07 of Aug, 2004 03:06 GMT posts: 2388 A> Not exactly, though that is a case. A contradictory negation is an all or none case. Of the two, one applies and the other doesn't. Contraries mean at most one applies, maybe neither. Red and not-red are contradictories, red and blue are contraries. Presumably red and green are opposites, but that really needs a scale: moral and immoral are opposites and amoral is neutral (offically-- in practice it tends toward the immoral end). Most of these things only make much sense when the two itemsd involved are subsumed under a single concept — color, say, or evaluated behavior. B> That may be a better way to go than having afterthought reordering of quantifiers, but notice we have it already with {naku}. Thewre are enough useful features of preselbri {na} to make keeping it worthwhile. Jorge Llambías <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote: pc: > The notions of contrary and contradictory negation needs to be mentioned -- > and used. > In that context, some discussion of {na} and {naku} seems called for. A>Yes, I still have to add examples. {naku} before a quantifier is contradictory, after the quantifier is contrary, right? B>I want to make a case for the {na} to have scope over quantifiers to its right but under quantifiers to its left, rather than taking it to always have scope over all quantifiers. > Otherness and oppositeness need discussions of "same area" (or whatever) and > of scales. Right. I expect to extend those definitions a bit when I work on the examples. mu'o mi'e xorxes __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Posted by Anonymous on Tue 11 of Jan, 2005 23:09 GMT Re: BPFK Section: brivla Negators The notions of contrary and contradictory negation needs to be mentioned — and used. In that context, some discussion of {na} and {naku} seems called for. Otherness and oppositeness need discussions of "same area" (or whatever) and of scales.
Posted by pycyn on Tue 11 of Jan, 2005 23:10 GMT posts: 2388 A> Not exactly, though that is a case. A contradictory negation is an all or none case. Of the two, one applies and the other doesn't. Contraries mean at most one applies, maybe neither. Red and not-red are contradictories, red and blue are contraries. Presumably red and green are opposites, but that really needs a scale: moral and immoral are opposites and amoral is neutral (offically-- in practice it tends toward the immoral end). Most of these things only make much sense when the two itemsd involved are subsumed under a single concept — color, say, or evaluated behavior. B> That may be a better way to go than having afterthought reordering of quantifiers, but notice we have it already with {naku}. Thewre are enough useful features of preselbri {na} to make keeping it worthwhile. Jorge LlambÃas <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote: pc: > The notions of contrary and contradictory negation needs to be mentioned -- > and used. > In that context, some discussion of {na} and {naku} seems called for. A>Yes, I still have to add examples. {naku} before a quantifier is contradictory, after the quantifier is contrary, right? B>I want to make a case for the {na} to have scope over quantifiers to its right but under quantifiers to its left, rather than taking it to always have scope over all quantifiers. > Otherness and oppositeness need discussions of "same area" (or whatever) and > of scales. Right. I expect to extend those definitions a bit when I work on the examples. mu'o mi'e xorxes __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail